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Post by daz06 on Jul 7, 2006 17:15:29 GMT
This is a story from a friend who claimed when he was younger he was slapped by what he believed to be a ghost, these instances happened on more than one occasion and invlolved touching etc. Now I believe him but I dont think it was a ghost, are there any, more realistic explanations?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 7, 2006 17:33:51 GMT
Muscle spasm in the cheek.
I have had them in the shoulder before and it felt like someone punched me
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Post by lilacearthwitch on Jul 7, 2006 17:56:42 GMT
Hey - I get them under my shoulder blade and it feels like someone is poking me in the back  |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 7, 2006 21:35:51 GMT
Many times people claim to have been touched by a ghost it is usually a muscle spasm
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Post by quackersgpi on Jul 7, 2006 21:43:17 GMT
I was actually in an attic with someone when they "got slapped". I was looking at them and I have to admit I heard a sound like a slap and then them saying a very loud ouch ! On getting out of the attic she did have a red mark on her cheek..the only rational way this could be muscle spasm is if there had been a coincidental slap sound at the same time..plus muscle spasms don't usually leave hand shaped marks ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2006 22:37:02 GMT
Lol... I was in the air-raid shelter at Maes Artro and crapping myself ;D We were told by my friend to sit far enough apart that we couldn't touch each other, even with arms outstretched. The light went off, the seance began, and I was punched on my upper left arm. I admit it, I screamed like a silly girl...  ;D It turned out that the girl next to me wasn't as far away as I had assumed, and she clipped me. Didn't stop me from having a near heart-attack though..lol. (And I think someone who has since written a book was sitting next to me too... and his face was even whiter than mine! lol) |
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Post by quackersgpi on Jul 8, 2006 1:01:58 GMT
 Just goes to show how easy it is to jump to a paranormal conclusion if the setting is right. I've been to Maes Artro myself and can certainly understand a reaction like that..especially in the air raid shelter.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 8, 2006 7:59:24 GMT
So because you did not have a rational explanation at hand you assumed that some bored ghost slapped someone round the face?
She couldve done that herself? When someone hits you the first thing you do is move your hand to that position.
Dont be surprised if the slap sound was her hitting her own face after the spasm.
You use the word rational there.
Can i point out you were sat in a near pitch black surrounding, trying to contact the dead, anxiety would be at a high.
Rational thinking would be more along the lines of WHY would a spirit bother to slap anyone, when it cant even move something in a lab for a scientist to record?
Rationale dictates that spirits are either total retards, or they dont exist.
Again a red mark on someones face is far from proof they got slapped by a ghost.
Did you have a night vision camera on them?
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Post by quackersgpi on Jul 8, 2006 11:05:52 GMT
EERRRM dd I say that because I could find no rational explantion it had to be a ghost. What I said was I didn't think the muscle spasm theory would work..I didn't mention ghosts, you did. All I am saying is I cannot explain it at this time.
"You use the word rational there.
Can i point out you were sat in a near pitch black surrounding, trying to contact the dead, anxiety would be at a high."
Again you make an assumption Jon..did I say we were in a near dark area...actually we weren't ! I agree with the anxiety side of things though and also that she may well have slapped her face in reaction to a muscle spasm..all I can say is I was watching her the whole time and there was a camera on her so I don't see how she could have done this unseen by us..note.STILL NOT SAYING IT WAS A GHOST THOUGH.
So, I am not saying it was a ghost, it was not near darkness and there was a camcorder on them but it wasn't night vision cause it wasn't dark. Also we were not trying to contact the dead..as I have made clear in other posts that is not what we are about.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 8, 2006 16:12:19 GMT
So you cant explain it, so you are left with a void at the end of your investigation, is that not a waste of time?
I found an explanation, and a credible one within seconds.
And i never even mentioned fraud.
So she may well have slappedherself, you cannot rule that out, there is your answer
Well go watch the footage again, and see what happens, does she put her hand to her face after she was slapped by a ghost? Yes or No?
So what were you trying to do if not contact the dead?
Isnt the whole point of what you do to contact the dead or do you enjoy sitting about in old houses doing nothing?
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Post by quackersgpi on Jul 8, 2006 18:26:10 GMT
Ok..I'm going to quit with the "quote" thing because I find it gets in the way of writing things properly.
OK..the first thing..not having an answer for something at the time doesn't leave a void. It doesn't mean it has been a waste of time..what it means is we have something that we need to logic out if possible..something to think about, try to reconstruct and look out for on future investigations so if it happens again we can try to establish some common factors etc. I know you didn't mention fraud and I wasn't accusing you of doing so.
Yes you have found an explanation..but it isn't credible..she had a red mark on her face after the sound was heard..she was in site of myself and a camcorder and her hand went nowhere near her face ! I am still not saying it is a ghost..just that it wasn't her. Maybe it was a large moth you know what those wings can do..but, for it to have been large enough to leave a mark it would have been caught on camera...see, I can find explanations too..but it doesn't mean they're credible if the theory doesn't stand u against the facts.
Yes I agreed she may well have slapped herself in reaction to a muscle spasm, however I pointed out we didn't see her do that even though she was in full view. We can all come up with theories but we also have to accept it when they are proved wrong.
We do not sit and try to contact ghosts..neither do we sit around doing nothing..I tell you what Jon, why don't you go on our web-site (and those of a few other reputable groups) and spend some time learning the basics behind what we do and then you will find that we are looking for strange things that happen that seem out of the "normal" expectations..NOT GHOST HUNTING and NOT DOING NOTHING.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Jul 8, 2006 20:39:33 GMT
I love quoting
Fair enough
Upload the video onto YouTube let me see.
Why dont you just go and watch the video and find out for sure
When i get chance i will go have a look.
Can i ask why you look for "strange" things i creepy old buildings?
What makes these locations any more likely to have strange occurances than say McDonalds
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Post by quackersgpi on Jul 10, 2006 13:37:48 GMT
I will try to sort out uploading the footage for you Jon..I'll have to learn how to do it first or I'll get our footage guys to do it when they've got a mo. I do know for sure she was in view..so I don't need to rewatch the footage to find out..when I said I agreed with your theory I was doing it in terms of "if the camera had not been filming her and she wasn't in view..the theory would work..however in this case it doesn't " I was trying to say that theories and explanations are fine but sometimes they can be ruled out.
The question of why we look for things in creepy old buildings is an interesting one. The truth of the matter is they are often the ones you can get in to because they are the ones that want the publicity from this kind of thing. Getting access to other places is very difficult. We have done work in other building but often these are priate locations and we can't give details. What we do try to do is investigate places that haven't been done before..this is so that power of suggestion from previous investigations can be ruled out. We also try to do places where nothing even remotely "paranormal" has been reported. Mary Queen of Scott's house, for example didn't have any history of people hearing/seeing/feeling anything our of the ordinary so it was the ideal place for us to investigate. It was chosen purely because we had an interest in MQS and because the type of building it was made it easier to investigate being small enough to cover properly, but big enough to accomodate us. We would happily investigate any location old or new so if anyone has somewhere in mind that will let us investigate please let us know.
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Post by pcdunn2005 on Dec 8, 2006 6:43:31 GMT
Hmm... Interesting, about researching places where *no* stories of "ghosts" or paranormal activities have been reported.... I like it, it covers an over-looked approach to this phenomena, by trying to see if things happen at all houses in the dark, or only at "haunted houses." Excellent! Could be a research paper in the findings....
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Post by mook on Dec 8, 2006 8:16:49 GMT
I have been in places where i have been poked or touched when there had been no-one else around, but i find it strange and exciting when there is not rational explaination for this happening.
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Post by claire on Dec 8, 2006 9:12:21 GMT
me too mook, ive had my shoulder squeezed pretty hard before, muscle spasm seems the obvious answer for it, but it was spooky nonetheless
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Post by bujin on Dec 17, 2006 11:48:50 GMT
A couple of years ago, I was hit quite forcefully in the chest while having a look around a deserted old house in North Wales. We (me and three others) were in the cellar and we wanted to see how dark it was down there, so we turned out our torches. The instant the last torch went out, I felt something hit me quite hard in the chest. Not enough to knock me back, but it was still quite a smack. I had my hand up covering my chest at the time and it hit at the base between the third and fourth fingers on my hand, and was stinging for a good 10-15 minutes afterwards.
Whatever hit me certainly wasn't human, because there were only three other people down there with me. The two blokes were standing on the other side of the room, and the only person close enough to hit me was the girl. I know her well enough to know that she wouldn't do that sort of thing, and also she was standing motionless with her hands by her sides as the light went out, and probably just out of arms reach anyway. The hit came in at the exact instant the light went out, so I would have seen movement from her. So we can rule her out too.
Of course, there were quite a few bats down in the cellar, and the room was pretty cramped. The most logical explanation I can think of is that a bat flew into me, although I don't remember seeing any dazed bats on the floor when the lights came back on around 30 seconds later.
If that had been an episode of Most Haunted, there would have been shrieking and running and swearing. I simply said "oh", and waited for another 30 seconds or so until the lights came on, then looked around for an explanation. ;D
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 17, 2006 12:00:44 GMT
It could have been a mild heart attack brought on by anxiety, stress, nerves etc.
How is your health generally
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;D
Just goes to show how easy it is to jump to a paranormal conclusion if the setting is right. I've been to Maes Artro myself and can certainly understand a reaction like that..especially in the air raid shelter.
