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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 15, 2006 8:58:18 GMT
"Faith Healer" Pastor Theo Wolmarans, formerly of South Africa, now operating in Texas at the Christian Family Church International. Pastor Theo claims that Jesus heals through him, but much like many other so called faith healers of this ilk, it all looks like a con. Click Here To Watch |
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Post by Amaris on Oct 15, 2006 11:04:22 GMT
Looks like another conman on the make, especially when you see the good ole leg lengthening trick   |
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Post by steve on Oct 15, 2006 13:11:17 GMT
oh dear |
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Post by mamagpi on Oct 15, 2006 13:28:51 GMT
I hate faith healing it is so dangerous !!
These healiers make a fortune at the risk of peoples lives.
People with terminal illnesses come away from conventional medicine in the belief they will be healed and they get convinced by these people they are going to be healed. If these peole can completely heal some one with an illness such as cancer, then how come cancer is still a killing hundreds of peole every year ?
They prey on the vulnerable.
Yes the power of prayer can work but it only heals in the sense that it gives comfort to know that people are thinking about you and have taken the time to give you a little thought.
The best healing in the world is just to be there for somewhen when life isnt quite going the way they want it to, or feeling low and just need someone to talk to, you cant cure whatever it is that ails them, but at least you can help them through it and maybe ease their suffering !!
faith healers are just conmen and women.
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Post by steve on Oct 15, 2006 13:38:20 GMT
AND THEY KNOW IT! they make me f**king sick
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 15, 2006 14:05:16 GMT
Whats the difference between this Mamagpi and Reiki healing
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Post by quackersgpi on Oct 15, 2006 14:07:32 GMT
And all you have to do is a google search to see how big the business is. Type in "faith healers" or anything like that and you get hundreds of pages. Some actually advocate throwing medication out and "putting your faith in God". Allof course are covered by small print saying that they cannot be responsible for anything that happens, and all charge vast amounts of money ! This is the sort of thing that should definately be treated seriously by the authorities. If someone pretended to be a doctor and treated someone they would be locked up,,what's the difference ?
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Post by steve on Oct 15, 2006 15:00:06 GMT
there is alternative healing but not all of them proclaim to be doing it thru the lord and not all of them charge vast amounts of cash, grow a huge ego and even claim that they are curing people for good...they can help ease the "dis-ease" thru the mind and thru energy...its part of our make up..ive had stomach pains cured by reflexologists, even had a hangover cured thru reiki! ...it does work, but they wouldnt tell me that i was over my illness nor would i expect them to and nor would they say that they could make a paralysed man get up and walk! i can always go back to them (not that ive seen either of them for years anyway) but these televangelists just take no responsibility for their actions when claiming that jesus is removing cancer from somebody's bowels..thats the difference...
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Post by mamagpi on Oct 15, 2006 21:36:37 GMT
Whats the difference between this Mamagpi and Reiki healing There is a vast difference between this and reiki healing, for one and the most important one reiki healers dont profess to be the 'be all and end all' and wont say they can cure, the same with spiritual healers..either of these would not advocate coming off conventional medicines but actually working along side it. Reiki healers do charge for there services, well most of the one s I have heard about do anyway but the majority of spirit healers dont charge. Reiki healers and spirit healers dont set out to con people. |
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Post by Amaris on Oct 16, 2006 1:17:50 GMT
Whats the difference between this Mamagpi and Reiki healing There is a vast difference between this and reiki healing, for one and the most important one reiki healers dont profess to be the 'be all and end all' and wont say they can cure, the same with spiritual healers..either of these would not advocate coming off conventional medicines but actually working along side it. Reiki healers do charge for there services, well most of the one s I have heard about do anyway but the majority of spirit healers dont charge. Reiki healers and spirit healers dont set out to con people. Yes I have to agree with Mamagpi. Reiki healing doesn't claim to cure all, well from my knowledge of it anyway, it is to help you with positivity & to work alongside medication if it's been prescribed. But of course with anything that can create a possible way to deceive & make money from people I'm sure this has been hijacked by conpeople! Having said that I certainly wouldn't put it alongside the "healing in Jesus name" bullsh*t. |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 16, 2006 8:52:30 GMT
I was told by a Reiki healer that i WOULD be cured of a skin problem after 8 sessions. At a cost of £20 EACH!!
Reiki DOES claim that it can heal pretty much anything.
When i suggested to my mediumship teacher that she should take her disabled child to receive Reiki, i was met with excuses, to thier credit they admit that they dont really believe in Reiki.
But Reiki is talked about as if it can cure anthing, and many times i have witnessed people believe that reiki is working and becaus eof this they have decided against conventional medicine
Reiki healers do charge, and their bulls*it qualifications that they bandy about makes me feel sick.
Reiki healers are just as bad as these faith healers.
They are saying they can cure you with spiritual power, this is exactly the same
YES THEY DO
They ask for money to cure you of something they simply cannot cure.
They are evil scum sucking bastards.
And I challenge any so called Reiki bulls*itter on here to prove me wrong
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Post by mamagpi on Oct 16, 2006 10:10:53 GMT
Well I am not going to dispute you Jon, and as Amaris has said even this can be hijacked by people who want to con.
I have been fortunate in the fact that the healers I know and one of them happens to be a close personal friend, dont agree with those that charge stupid rates and they do their healing for free and because they enjoy what they do and just want to help people.
But its like everything else, unfortunately the genuine people get tarred with the same brush dont they ?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 16, 2006 11:15:06 GMT
The problem is that the ones who do not charge, are still encouraging this belief in nonsense.
Someone may hve a free healing, and then want more so go pay someone else
It is all about creating this false belief.
As for genuine healer, well there is not a GENUINE healer on this planet.
If there truly is one, you tell me where and I will bring along my downs cousin.
Like to see them cure a REAL illness.
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Post by jomarie on Oct 16, 2006 14:03:01 GMT
The problem is that the ones who do not charge, are still encouraging this belief in nonsense. Someone may hve a free healing, and then want more so go pay someone else It is all about creating this false belief. As for genuine healer, well there is not a GENUINE healer on this planet. If there truly is one, you tell me where and I will bring along my downs cousin. Like to see them cure a REAL illness.  would you have him "cured" if you could? it'd change him completely |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 16, 2006 15:13:48 GMT
Yes I would cure him in an instant.
Same as i would cure a quadraplegic, someone with a hole in their heart, brain damage and so on.
Allowing someone to live to the full potential would be the greatest thing you could do.
Yet all these lying bulls*it Reiki masters do is cure purely psychosomatic illnesses.
Or mysterious cancers or tumours.
Why cant ANY healer cure anything solid, anything that can be oserved externally.
I will cut my arm, let a reiki healer heal the wound, so that when i wipe away the blood there is no cut
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Post by gryfon on Oct 16, 2006 15:40:05 GMT
I have a Downs brother and though it would be nice for him to be "normal" he wouldn't be who he is now!
I have a feeling that reiki is supposed to be about drawing on your positivity to help you heal, as I'm sure there was a report somewhere that said that positive, less stressed people recover better than those that are convince that they are going to die and stress about it!
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Post by jomarie on Oct 16, 2006 16:07:35 GMT
Yes I would cure him in an instant. Same as i would cure a quadraplegic, someone with a hole in their heart, brain damage and so on. Allowing someone to live to the full potential would be the greatest thing you could do. Yet all these lying bullsh*t Reiki masters do is cure purely psychosomatic illnesses. Or mysterious cancers or tumours. Why cant ANY healer cure anything solid, anything that can be oserved externally. I will cut my arm, let a reiki healer heal the wound, so that when i wipe away the blood there is no cut quadraplegic - fair enough hole in heart- fair enough brain damage - fair enough. these things wouldnt change personality (brain damage personality change would be reversed) would you want your personality changed?? *might not be a bad idea*  |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 16, 2006 18:59:18 GMT
I would want to give anyone with any kind of illness or disability the chance to be rid of it.
If they chose to keep it then so be it.
But if someone claime dthey could heal people, then why wont they heal people with real problems?
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Post by calamitykate on Oct 16, 2006 19:10:17 GMT
A lot of people who are close to people with difficulties such as Down's say that, and it puzzles me somewhat....
Surely all the things you love about your brother would still be there? What I mean is, if, somehow, he could be "healed" of Down's, then surely the only things to change would be the "unwanted" parts (for want of a better word; in no way do I mean that in an unpleasant way); for instance, learning difficulties, speech/language problems etc. He would still be the brother you love, though, personality wise, wouldn't he?
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Post by calamitykate on Oct 16, 2006 19:15:01 GMT
I would want to give anyone with any kind of illness or disability the chance to be rid of it. If they chose to keep it then so be it. But if someone claime dthey could heal people, then why wont they heal people with real problems? You'd think, by now, that at least one of these miraculous healers would have something concrete to show for it, wouldn't you? Something undeniably, demonstrably, miraculously NOT possible by any other means other than a true faith healing. (Awaiting flocks of believers popping up with remarks such as "But 1000s of people have had proof enough for them"......) |
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would you have him "cured" if you could? it'd change him completely 
