Gandhi, Paedophile and Racist

[Mr. Jon Donnis]

Gandhi thought that black people were subhuman.
He also would sleep with young girls in his older years.

So why on earth is this man revered as something great?

[aliennation345]

They did not portray that in the film did they?

[bujin]

admin said:

Gandhi thought that black people were subhuman.
He also would sleep with young girls in his older years.

So why on earth is this man revered as something great?

Abraham Lincoln thought that black people were subhuman.

H G Wells also thought that black people were subhuman.

Quite a lot of people of that era thought that black people were subhuman.

(I dunno if any of them slept with young girls in their older years, though... )

[Mr. Jon Donnis]

aliennation345 said:

They did not portray that in the film did they?

I dont know, probably not

[skeptomatic]

Where did you get the information about Ghandi being racist?

[Mr. Jon Donnis]

Its well known fact.
He saw black people as subhuman.

If you can find it try and download the Penn and Teller Bulls*it episode about it.

They look at it in depth, as well as Mother Teresa

[shazzz]

cant be that well known i had no idea

[lowrider]

Penn and Teller
What have they do to with history?

[PILLSBURY]

Before you go stating he was a racist,what knowledge do you have of the Hindu Caste system? if you had any knowledge of it you would know that Hindus believe that the darker the skin of the person,the lower down the scale they are, in fact by going thru reincarnation you can move up the evolutionary scale. The caste systems gives various degrees of seperation that must be observed between castes and what cleansing is required after "contamination". It is possible to be polluted by being within 60 feet of a lower caste person in some cases.
Yes Gandhi is accused of racism because of his comments made in prison in south africa where he compared the black prisoners to the members of the lowest caste,and certainly to modern day anglo saxons of our politically correct age,this can be deemed as racist. But please understand on what basis this statement was made.
As for being a paedophile, this is ridiculous, yes he used to sleep with naked girls but that was to teste his vow of chastity. Gandhi believed like pure hindus that a mans strength and vigour came from his seminal fluid which I think is supposed to be linked to his spiritual strength. If you give up this fluid you are weakened,so no he was not a paedophile, as he didnt have sex with anyone including his wife to preserve his seminal fluid and his purity of souls as a result.

The following link ,is a long and detailed biography of gandhi, he was no saint and the film was complete hollywood cobblers. You might find his intense interest in enemas and bowel movements rather strange too but dont use modern anglosaxon morals to make comments on this man when he had a completely different belief system with which to found his life on, and it is a belief system that many in the world still use today.

history.eserver.org/ghandi-nobody-knows.txt

[lowrider]

Great post.
A little knowledge does but things in a different context.

[Mr. Jon Donnis]

But we have to judge him on our modern day society morals, for that is what we evolved too.

Some people in Africa believe having sex with a new born baby will cure them of aids, this is their religious belief, do we not deem that belief wrong?

The Indian religions advocate forced marriages, women are treated like second class citizens.
Beaten, raped treated as slaves.

And this goes on in this counrty, i know as i have seen it with my own eyes.

I have MAJOR problems with the way that the asian communities treat their woman.

Do we need to get into a conversation about honour killings and so on?

Gandhi slept with naked YOUNG girls to test his vow of chastity, the very fact he sees young girls as temptation distrubs me greatly.

Muslim girls are "allowed" to marry at 12, under islamic law, they often are mothers at 13.
DO you think any of that is by choice?

As for Gandhi, he did what he did, regardless of his beliefs or reasons, no one needs to follow what their society may deem correct, same as someone doesnt have to rape a baby to cleanse them of aids.

[Mr. Jon Donnis]

pillsbury0 said:

As for being a paedophile, this is ridiculous, yes he used to sleep with naked girls but that was to teste his vow of chastity.

That line alone disgusts me.
You cannot justify something that is blatantly wrong.

It is like saying.
"As for Hitler being an evil dictator, this is ridiculous, yes he would murder Jews, but this was part of his belief so its ok"

[bone]

But we have to judge him on our modern day society morals, for that is what we evolved too.

Look up "moral zeitgiest" to see why its really not fair to judge people of one time with the morals of another...

[lowrider]

Hang on Jon.
You cannot judge morals of a past age by todays.
The people of the time could only live by what they knew, not by what is happening today.
People in the future may consider us barbarians for allowing terminally ill people to live on when they wish to die.
You said Gandhi slept with naked YOUNG girls to test his vow of chastity, the very fact he sees young girls as temptation disturbs me greatly.
Wrong now in our eyes but children of that era did not have the extended childhood they have the luxury of now.
They were considered adults and married,bore children and contributed to the family.
In fact some scientists feel that the " teenage mother problem" of today is in fact an advantage.
That is when woman are best able to carry and give birth,their bodies are at the strongest.
So every era or time has differing views on many aspects of morals,particularly children.
Hell it was not that long ago that kids in this country worked in pitch darkness for 8 hours a day in the mines.
That would never be allowed today but was the norm then.
It is easy to be right looking back.

[Mr. Jon Donnis]

So if what we do now may be seen as wrong and evil by our future generations, then whats to say in the afterlife that we will not similarly by judged by the evolved intelligence?

[bujin]

bone said:

But we have to judge him on our modern day society morals, for that is what we evolved too.

Look up "moral zeitgiest" to see why its really not fair to judge people of one time with the morals of another...

Exactly what I was trying to point out in my response that both Abraham Lincoln and HG Wells were racists (by today's standards).

[PILLSBURY]

I never said he was a saint in fact quite the contrary. I do not condone his actions but I do question the basis of your statement. It does quiet rightly make you question how close to performing an act of paedophilia he was,but if you read the link I posted you will see that he was so obsessed with his vow of chastity that he once had a "wet dream" and it caused him to almost have a nervous breakdown.

I quite agree that all of the crimes you mention are abhorrent and I would never condone it but history is full of such examples, the spartans trained young boys from an early age in the arts of war and whilst together in training the young boys were the focus of what we would describe as homosexual rape by the older men. In most european countries old powerful men would marry young girls of 13 as well , so young people have always been the target of such abuse. I made the decision long ago ,that whilst these things are wrong to us today, we did not live through such times so who are we to judge it.As for the claims of racism, you must also remember that throughout Africa, the description of racist is taken by most native africans as a compliment and most tribal wars throughout africa have been based not on land grabs or power but on the basis of racism. In fact even today in south africa the Xhosa hate the Zulu, who hate the shona, the ANC is anti zulu and has done everything to destroy the predominantly Zulu Pan african congress. So the degree of racism claimed by Gandhi's comments in south africa is minimal compared to the inherent racisl within african society and most claims of such racism are usually written by anglo saxon white people who have no knowledge of the way africa works.

[scepgurl589]

but isn't it true that young girls (11-14) having babies at a young age increases their risk of dying in childbirth?Their pelvis is smaller, making if hard for the baby to pass through and even starting to have sex very early in life can cause female problems for women later in life, that is why many docters think that young girls need to wait until they are in their mid to late teens before having sex and children. This is what i've learned in school, but i'll do some research to see if this has been shown to be true in studies.

[kevwan182]

A bit off topic, but just thought i'd let you know that when trying to view this page, i had a runtime error. It read:

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Is this a coincidence or could it be the devils work!?

[hellyp]

Yeah, sounds like the work of Gargamel to me....no wait, that's from the Smurfs...carry on!