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Post by kt3 on Aug 24, 2007 22:59:15 GMT
Approximately  I found this www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.htmlWhich gives percentages of atheists against theists around the world. So for the sake of argument, let's say that 50% of the world are really atheists, then approx. half of us are going to be proven wrong. Either way.  So in reality.... either the sceptics or the believers are completely wasting their time. But which? |
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Post by gasgallery on Aug 27, 2007 1:48:39 GMT
No way of us knowing unfortunately  Thanks for the link though it's interesting to look at, nice to have a new perspective! |
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Post by plopsack on Sept 1, 2007 14:59:03 GMT
So for the sake of argument, let's say that 50% of the world are really atheists, then approx. half of us are going to be proven wrong. How would a theist be proven wrong? When they die, they're not going to be able to think "Oh yeah, there is no God". |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2007 16:19:04 GMT
true, If Athiets are wrong and there IS a God we can sit in hell and go "bugger" - but if the religious people are wrong and there is nothing after death they will go *decompose*
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Post by bobdezon on Sept 1, 2007 17:45:08 GMT
thats what happened to beethoven. |
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Post by plopsack on Sept 1, 2007 19:19:49 GMT
I hope you're aware of Pascal's wager.
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Post by bobdezon on Sept 2, 2007 8:40:17 GMT
pascals posit was based on flawed logic though (and imaginary odds), however good his intentions were.
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Post by plopsack on Sept 2, 2007 9:20:41 GMT
I know. I just thought that this thread was quite similar to it |
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Post by bujin on Sept 2, 2007 10:41:05 GMT
To expand on the Pascal's Wager fallacy, while it's true that if atheists are wrong, we're going to hell, given the number of different religions and schisms within those religions, the actual percentage of people who are going to go to heaven is miniscule! The vast majority of people on the planet will be going to hell.
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Post by gasgallery on Sept 6, 2007 20:25:24 GMT
I don't see how you can avoid hell. Especially with my track record ;D
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Post by kt3 on Sept 6, 2007 20:32:21 GMT
According to Spiritualism, there is no hell. We all end up in the Spirit World. So don't worry. |
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Post by gasgallery on Sept 6, 2007 20:35:53 GMT
Oh good I'll take it by storm ;D Thanks for the reassurance! |
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Post by Meercat on Sept 6, 2007 22:19:46 GMT
According to Spiritualism, there is no hell. We all end up in the Spirit World. So don't worry. Thats a damn shame and doesnt sound much fun. I actually like the idea of a hell, what would worry me more is spending eternity in the company of God botherers. "The Lion shall lay down with the lamb" Yeah right, but the lamb ain't going to get a lot of sleep...... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2007 8:14:27 GMT
Yes but can you imagine if it is true and we become spirits? Imagine the fun you could have haunting people!
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Post by Meercat on Sept 7, 2007 8:29:38 GMT
Yes but can you imagine if it is true and we become spirits? Imagine the fun you could have haunting people! Yep, good point, but I think all the people I'd get a kick out of haunting would also be dead, I'd be left with hanging around the Korean Ladies Hockey Teams changing room.... actually this 'Spirit Thing' may be okay......  |
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Post by sophie on Sept 7, 2007 9:07:37 GMT
I don't see how you can avoid hell. Especially with my track record ;D what if we are already in hell...  whats the film where they are really dead or something and earth is the hell, or am i making a film up or taking parts from other films and merging them... |
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Post by kt3 on Sept 7, 2007 9:10:41 GMT
I don't believe in ghosts.
But if I do ever see one, how would I prove it?
If I spot a new breed of spider in the jungles of South America, I can take photos and even capture the poor little critter. But if ghosts are mostly a mind phenomena, surely they won't appear on film or be recorded on digital media? And I can't stick something non-physical in a bottle.
It's all very well cynics shouting "Proof!!!" at people... and I can totally see it from their point of view.... I personally think that ghosts are imaginary.... and at best are possibly just memories of events played back.... but how can you prove that you saw a ghost? I've seen photos that look like someone just took a drag on their Silk Cut before they took the shot..... I've seen orbs that frankly look like a round ball.... and I am sure there is a technical explanation for orbs and digital cameras.
The WHOLE subject matter of this board and any other board that deals with paranormal, is unprovable either way.
If a medium cannot come up with a name.... they are labelled as crap. If a medium does come up with a name, they are labelled as a hot reader...... catch 22.
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Post by plopsack on Sept 7, 2007 9:18:27 GMT
If something has not been proven, it seems wise to assume that it does not exist. I would certainly not feel foolish if I had said that I do not believe that something exists (because it has not been proven), only to be shown wrong later.
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Post by kt3 on Sept 7, 2007 9:23:09 GMT
I don't know that you exist. You are just pixels on my screen. I cannot prove you exist. But because you show intelligence and you are responding to what I am posting...... I believe you exist.
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Post by plopsack on Sept 7, 2007 9:23:15 GMT
If a medium cannot come up with a name.... they are labelled as crap. If a medium does come up with a name, they are labelled as a hot reader...... catch 22. Has any medium actually said "Your [INSERT RELATIVE OR FRIEND HERE]'s full name was [INSERT FULL NAME HERE], [they] lived at [INSERT ADDRESS HERE], [they] died of [INSERT EXACT CAUSE OF DEATH HERE] on [INSERT TIME AND DATE OF DEATH]" to a confirmed stranger? Of course not. When a medium does mention a name, it's normally along the lines of "I'm seeing a P..." or "I'm seeing a John... do you understand that?". |
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