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Post by Rocktron on Apr 19, 2008 5:39:12 GMT
nl.youtube.com/watch?v=YFUVp0fI3GQI had to make this vid and share it on Youtube. Damn! I'm suddenly back at believing that there is something out there. Make up your own mind..
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 19, 2008 6:37:13 GMT
Well, its ceratainly some of the clearest EVP I have heard. The theory behind how this ended up on dictaphone is utter bulls*it evidentially weak and has 0 scientific verification. I would posit two reasons this EVP is so clear. 1: it is radio interference picked up by the dictaphone or recording device. 2: it is yet another manufactured TAPS exclusive. I didnt include the unsaid third option of It "being real ghosts" because to make that assesment you would have to determine what a ghost actually was. Or at least provide evidences it was a phenomena. It seems too clear to be coincidental or aural pariedolia. Too good to be true? If any other paranormal group released this EVP they would be lambasted as obvious fakes right? Good job TAPS has a TV show eh?  |
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Post by rousseau on Apr 19, 2008 6:47:54 GMT
Why do they have to do the fake team question and answer session. It does them no favours.
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Post by Rocktron on Apr 19, 2008 6:52:28 GMT
I trust TAPS. What else do you need Oh "skeptic forum?" A Voice that says: Hey Badpsychics you guys suck and have No idea? /me pretty much rests his case (btw, My latest song has that line  " |
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Post by rousseau on Apr 19, 2008 7:02:06 GMT
Or an EVP that says " you guys are only here because its one of the top vacation spots in the USA."
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Post by Rocktron on Apr 19, 2008 7:23:34 GMT
Or an EVP that says " you guys are only here because its one of the top vacation spots in the USA." The thing with this forum is.., the plan was to create a skeptic forum right? There does not seem to be any room for anything else. And that bugs me. That's not a skeptic forum that's a NONE believer forum. can we have any say inhere or what?  If Jesus himself f*cks me up the ass and I tell you about it? you will never believe. That's kinda sad. Because I know what I'm talking about and need No other people to question about it. But I'm open.. This forum is not so it seems.. /me is ready to leave. We can remove ourselves right? I will try that later on. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2008 9:12:40 GMT
I personally can't trust anyone who works on a ghost hunting television show when they present such evidence.
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Post by Meercat on Apr 19, 2008 9:47:56 GMT
Or an EVP that says " you guys are only here because its one of the top vacation spots in the USA." The thing with this forum is.., the plan was to create a skeptic forum right? There does not seem to be any room for anything else. And that bugs me. That's not a skeptic forum that's a NONE believer forum. can we have any say inhere or what? This forum has many different beliefs on it, you should know that by now. Just because YOU'RE 'blown away' by something does not mean we all will be. I would class myself as a sceptic, although on some parts I AM a cynic because I've just gotten bored with 'keeping an open mind' about something when there is STILL no evidence to back it up. EVP is one of them. I see no correlation to noises caught on a tape to 'Spirits'. It was a theory at one point, and its remained being a theory. I put it in the same box as digital thermometers and EMF meters, NONE have been shown to actually 'prove' anything but everyone keeps harping on about them. Now its "We've caught some EVP", no, you have noises on a tape that could be a number of things, why would I think that one of those things is a 'ghost' when there are a number of other rational explanations? If you had 'evidence' that Jesus took you roughly from behind, then the outcome would be different for all of us. As for: So you're right and everyone else is wrong? Not very 'open'... This forum, as I have said, has MANY different views, that is how debates start, if you're going to throw your teddy out just because a couple of people disagree with you, so be it. Obviously that's your choice, perhaps you should try a believers forum where you can post an TV EVP clip and everyone will respond with "WOW! That's SO amazing".... but I feel that would be a shame. |
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Post by Rocktron on Apr 19, 2008 16:22:38 GMT
This forum has members that also have a sense of humour. You should know this as youve been a member a long time. I guess you should go to Randis forum if you want a humour-free debate. ;D LOL Strike and score!  |
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Post by Meercat on Apr 19, 2008 16:29:18 GMT
This forum has members that also have a sense of humour. You should know this as youve been a member a long time. I guess you should go to Randis forum if you want a humour-free debate. ;D LOL Strike and score! Nice to have you back on form Rocktron |
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Post by Rocktron on Apr 19, 2008 16:34:58 GMT
Obviously that's your choice, perhaps you should try a believers forum where you can post an TV EVP clip and everyone will respond with "WOW! That's SO amazing".... but I feel that would be a shame. No it's not that meercat. It's just about the fact that people are scared to say what they feel if they really believe something. Most of the time their heads will get bashed in with skeptic remarks. I'm a huge skeptic myself but I also belief in a lot of things just because I experienced them myself. And I know I could never convince anyone else with that evidence and I don't try to. It just feels like this forum is on a bounty hunt some times that's all. |
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Post by Meercat on Apr 19, 2008 16:49:45 GMT
Obviously that's your choice, perhaps you should try a believers forum where you can post an TV EVP clip and everyone will respond with "WOW! That's SO amazing".... but I feel that would be a shame. No it's not that meercat. It's just about the fact that people are scared to say what they feel if they really believe something. Most of the time their heads will get bashed in with skeptic remarks. I'm a huge skeptic myself but I also belief in a lot of things just because I experienced them myself. And I know I could never convince anyone else with that evidence and I don't try to. It just feels like this forum is on a bounty hunt some times that's all. What it comes done to is evidence. The reason something like a clip from TAPS will be jumped on is because it shows nothing but 'TV entertainment'. Your OWN evp may have received a better response if it came with the circumstances gained etc but, and I can't talk for others, I believe TAPS to be no better than Most Haunted when it comes to providing 'evidence'. It's a show, produced purely for ratings, otherwise it would not be produced at all. They NEED to 'find' things or the show will be pulled. Nobody pays for a show without an audience. Your own personal experiences are just that, personal. You are obviously aware of the views on anecdotal evidence, many on here have their own 'personal' reasons for believing in many things. But please don't get annoyed if some of us don't trust the media for evidence! Some are subtle in their arguments, personally I prefer the 'run up and kick them in the danglys' approach, but thats''s just me, it's never meant 'personally' (unless you are a charging Medium). Nice to have you still with us. |
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Post by Rocktron on Apr 19, 2008 17:17:00 GMT
Thanks it feels great being back. It's like I never left ;D
I have a recording (EVP) on an old tape. The voice of my mom who died when I was 8 years old. The thing that convinced me it was her, was due to the fact that a friend played the EVP in his house and my sister never knew the recording was made by me because I never told her, but she happened to visit him at that point when he was playing it and she ran off crying out of the house.
Even without telling my friend what the reason was.
I still have that recording somewhere on tape.
I could tell you a million things that happened through out my life but I will not. For ridicule reasons
The thing about the EVP is this.. I have NO idea how my mom sounds because I was too young when she died.
My sister was 12 at that time and remembers her voice very well.
The EVP said my name on the recording. It's also the name of my dad. Before she died she shouted his name out loud. The evp sounds exactly like that... but recorded 20 years later.
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Post by mistral on Apr 20, 2008 13:06:32 GMT
That freaked me out! I'm home alone too dammit! lol, i'm such a ninny
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 21, 2008 8:57:54 GMT
So do I, if that means to provide an entertaining TV show. Do I trust them to provide any form of evidence? No. Why? Because they have no track record of providing evidences, just conjectures, discounted idiot theories, and personal feelings. For me to accept their findings as evidential, it must be evidential, not randomly presented in the hope of universal agreement. I am also quite immune from the "cult of personality" fallacy. I do not believe because they are famous, they are automatically correct. You should not also, but that choice is ultimately yours. A voice captured on tape is not proof of ghosts, it is proof that something has been recorded. If you diagree you are wrong and verifiably so. You do not know what was recorded. You must admit you have no idea if its a ghost. However if you have a preconception that EVP is real, then you would assume incorrectly it is a ghost because the idea appeals to you. A sceptical foum it is. It is right to be sceptical of everything. By being sceptical you will obviously exclude all the potential causes of this EVP, and the ones that are left are the ones you should concentrate on. Ask youself is it possible this EVP could be faked? Obviously the answer is yes. Is there a possible motive for faking it? Again obviously yes. So what are we left with? We know its possible to fake, we know there is a possible motive for doing so. What is it about this EVP that makes it real? Absolutely nothing, that is unless you trust TAPS, which is apparantly exactly what you do. Of course there is, but presenting your opinion you must expect debate. You will not nor should not expect universal agreement upon anything. You are aware that most things discussed here have, we have a good reason to be sceptical of right? Taps claim EVP are voices of spirits right? Where is the evidence of that? Can you provide that evidence for me so I can agree with it? If you cannot, then you cannot reasonably expect me to not be sceptical right? If I told you that would you really believe it? If you would believe it without question, then your opinion would count for little anyway as you would have proven yourself to be unreasonably credulous. Shame really, but if we cannot learn anything from each other, perhaps that would be better for you? That is if you feel you are too uncomfortable being here with us unreasonable sceptics. |
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Post by aelwyn on Apr 21, 2008 15:51:52 GMT
You said it better than I could. EVPs are EASILY faked, I put absolutely no stock into them (even though they can be creepy at times, but I guess anyone whispering raspily into a tape recorder is creepy anyways. ). |
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Post by kreedkafer on Apr 23, 2008 21:45:24 GMT
Its a very very interesting video isnt it?
The fact that it appears to be answering their questions rules out radio interference as far as I am concerned. The only other options are that I can think is that it is deliberately faked or it is real.
I agree that even if it is 'real' it may not necessarily be a 'ghost', It could just as easily be a 'timeslip', or an 'alien', or an 'angel' etc and until this type of evidence can be proved 100% under controlled conditions sceptics will not and should not accept it.
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 24, 2008 0:46:38 GMT
It may not be responding to them at all. It could be a completely independant cellphone coversation/amateur radio where we can only hear one of the callers. Coincidentally "replying" to them, this could simply be a causal response.
If you have MTV on the tv, and a radio program playing on a radio both within earshot of each other. Pretty soon your going to hear two songs that completly compliment each other creating a "new song".
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Post by Rocktron on Apr 24, 2008 14:01:09 GMT
So can you make us an EVP? And I mean not fake it but just to proof your point please? |
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Post by bobdezon on Apr 24, 2008 14:20:04 GMT
Im not sure what you mean? You would have to have a severe learning difficulty to not understand that recording in a non controlled enviroment will pick up all kinds of unidentifiable sounds.
You want me to provide a faux evp that sounds like it could be a ghost or something?
What would be the point of that? there are lots of sites offering the same thing already.
I think I should remind you the onus or burden of proof is upon those making the claims, not those that doubt them.
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