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Post by steje73 on Jun 6, 2008 11:04:34 GMT
It's worth about £0.02 by my reckoning.
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Post by apollo123 on Jun 6, 2008 11:16:19 GMT
*Leaps out from behind a tree* Hi, apollo, hope you don't mind me butting in. 'Energy' is one of those words which is often used by those aboard the woo-woo train on their way to Kook Central, but they rarely explain what they mean by it. This is very probably because a)they don't know, and b)a certain amount of mysticism adds to the appeal. Hiya, i dont mind at all. I know the word Energy sounds a bit like a JEDI thing lol, Its hard to explain.. but its like putting your hand on a very soft object..you can feel somthing..what ever that maybe?I'm in no way attacking you here, by the way. You don't sound like you're sitting in First Class or Standard, or even wedged in that bit by the stinky overflowing loo, trying not to fall over every time that corrugated rubber bit expands to let the train go round a corner. I don't even think you've purchased your ticket. Anyway, enough of the crappy train analogy... Dont worry i hate trainsIt's always difficult to offer alternative explanations for things if you weren't there to witness what actually happened. And again I'm not criticising you here. I'm not saying you've left something out deliberately or that you are unreliable. It's just that any number of tiny things could have occurred (for example you may have (even subconsciously) noticed that the person you scanned 'favoured' whichever part of himself he had broken). I agree, unless you are their nonone will belive it for natural reasons, this is why i did Reiki i guess to see what it was about, and why it would be intresting for Bob to do it and have his feedback on it. As for the scanning... he lay on a massage bed.. symetrical..But anyway, I'd like to ask you a couple of things. What was the sensation which you experienced at that point that you 'felt' he had broken a bone? Who was the person you scanned? Might they have had a reason to say they had had a broken bone when they hadn't? The sensation was like pins and needles. ( and also like a fizzing on your hands? ). but only over his hand. I thought at first i had pins and needles ( naturaly ) so used my other hand and still got the same sensation but again only over the hand. I never knew he had any issues, it was part of the training so i wasnt told a thing about the person.He didn't know you had broken a bone, but you did. When I was a kid being mildly bullied at secondary school, I would try to avoid going. I would complain of a stomach ache. Now I hated lying. But I soon discovered that if I concentrated hard enough, I could actually make my stomach hurt. Or my head. So in the end, I wasn't lying at all. I really did have stomach ache. Again, it's totally impossible to say 'this is what happened', but it's worth considering if you want to cover all bases in order to find out what really went on. Well thats the idea.. to see why things happen as they did..I know what you mean, we can all convice ourselfs of being ill, espically on a monday morning [/font] Was that directly after he had removed his hands from over the area? [ font=Verdana]As soon as he moved his hands it went... when he applied them again it started straight away, but they call it a " blockage " and the pain will pass, which it did[/font].[/color] Do you mean that after the treatment it was as it was before you broke it, and that after a few months it reverted to how it was after you broke it? [ font=Verdana]To an extent yes, certainly the natural strength wasnt their, but the moblilty of it was and i was able to weight train without pain. A few months yes, reverted to less mobilty and pain when weight training[/font].[/color] I'm a sceptic too, so I'm obviously going to shout 'Placebo effect!!' at you. Just another thing to ponder, which I'm sure you have already. The Placedo effect im sure happens to many people when they have Reiki. We have a headace take tablets, minutes later we are fine, but we all know it take longer to get in your system than that. Many go to just make them feel better, on that basis i would say " Placedo" take place. For me it was a pyhsical atribute.. now of course placedo may take place, but because of the events i do feel it was to do with Reiki.I've no doubt that it was a real feeling. True, i guess im trying to find out what created it in a scientific manner. Reiki masters will say its the "energy" ( yes Jedi force again lol ) but if thats the case i would think its possible to measue that in a lab. Well if it is energy it can me measured..
IE Heat imagining? a Compass ( to if that pics anything up ) A wave meter to see any movement And a radio graph.. And some electronic body responce? [/font][/color]Anyway, that's just my £0.02, for what it's worth. [/quote] I thank you for your input... Reiki i belive can be tested to some extent. Bob would be a perfect person for this as his credablilty is untouched.
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Post by hellyp on Jun 6, 2008 12:50:53 GMT
It's worth about £0.02 by my reckoning. Well, that told me...
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Post by hellyp on Jun 6, 2008 12:53:52 GMT
Exactly, yes. Has this ever been tried?
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Post by apollo123 on Jun 6, 2008 13:36:25 GMT
Exactly, yes. Has this ever been tried? Not that i know of... but it wouldnt be that hard to do now would it, and at least their can be a start to some scienfic insight to what may happen when healing if anything?
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Post by steje73 on Jun 6, 2008 13:45:21 GMT
It's worth about £0.02 by my reckoning. Well, that told me... Oh blimey! I just meant that 2p was worth 2p. Didn't mean to imply your opinions were only worth that much. Sorry about that.
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Post by hellyp on Jun 6, 2008 13:53:24 GMT
;D [Australian accent] No worries, mate![/Australian accent]
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Post by hellyp on Jun 6, 2008 14:02:32 GMT
Exactly, yes. Has this ever been tried? Not that i know of... but it wouldnt be that hard to do now would it, and at least their can be a start to some scienfic insight to what may happen when healing if anything? I can find plenty about how Reiki practitioners have been shown to emit huge amounts of 'energy' and what this was measured with, all from Reiki websites. None seems to be a scientific source. I'll keep looking. I'm not expecting much, since it's meant to be 'spirit energy', and 'spirit', let alone 'spirit energy', has never been detected by any scientific means.
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Post by apollo123 on Jun 6, 2008 14:34:25 GMT
Not that i know of... but it wouldnt be that hard to do now would it, and at least their can be a start to some scienfic insight to what may happen when healing if anything? I can find plenty about how Reiki practitioners have been shown to emit huge amounts of 'energy' and what this was measured with, all from Reiki websites. None seems to be a scientific source. I'll keep looking. I'm not expecting much, since it's meant to be 'spirit energy', and 'spirit', let alone 'spirit energy', has never been detected by any scientific means. Reiki has nothing to do with spirit healing and these people saying this are just kidding people.... Reiki system originated in Tibet 2500 years ago, but was said to be lost knowlage until re-discovered by Dr.Mikao Usui who open a practise im Tokyo in 1921. In brief their were writing of Buddhism that told of techniques which can heal body and soul and he spent seven years searching knmwolage of the writing and the symbols. He didnt have the power to heal although he has the knowlage, so he went to Mount Kuri Yama to meditate for for 3 weeks. It is said that one day he saw a light from the sky coming towards him after that he felt empowered etc etc.... At no point is spirits, angels, religon. god. ghost or and other woo ever mentioned. These so called Reiki healers who keep saying its a spiritual thing are talking out of their 8rse !! and it really peas me off. These people are spiritual and anything they slightly dont understand they says its spiritual..... and no dout after their Reiki treament to can have a woo taret reading as well??? I still belive Reiki can be tested sceinfically as its a natual energy not a spiritual or reglious thing..... Sorry rant over but those people are telling pork pies !!
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Post by hellyp on Jun 6, 2008 14:39:59 GMT
Techniques which can heal body and soul? What is a soul?
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Post by apollo123 on Jun 6, 2008 14:53:34 GMT
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Post by apollo123 on Jun 6, 2008 15:04:07 GMT
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Post by lyndonp on Jun 6, 2008 16:58:23 GMT
The effect of Reiki has been seen on Kirlian photography.
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Post by hellyp on Jun 6, 2008 17:08:24 GMT
'Soul' to me suggests matters spiritual. Both things which are often talked about but for which there is zero evidence, depending of course, on how you define your terms - un-pin-downable as they conveniently are.
lyndonp, can you link to the photographs please?
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Post by lyndonp on Jun 6, 2008 17:22:02 GMT
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Post by hellyp on Jun 6, 2008 17:26:56 GMT
Thanks, they're very pretty. Sorry to come over all sceptic, but is there any proof that what is shown here is the effect of Reiki?
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Post by lyndonp on Jun 6, 2008 17:49:25 GMT
"Thanks, they're very pretty."
Thank you for your condescending reply. It speaks volumes.
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Post by hellyp on Jun 6, 2008 18:09:28 GMT
Actually it was a genuine response. They are very pretty. Why does it speak volumes?
Is there any proof that what is shown is the effect of Reiki?
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Post by julia on Jun 6, 2008 18:23:19 GMT
More on Kirlian photography: www.skepdic.com/kirlian.htmlIsn't it tiresome when one form of woo is invoked to legitimise another form of woo?
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Post by hellyp on Jun 6, 2008 18:25:50 GMT
Now let's not be too hasty. Perhaps the leaf had just performed Reiki.
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