I have had this conversation with a few mediums who follow this belief. I have been told that I chose the things that have happened to me before I came from spirit, in order that I learn the lessons I choose to learn in this lifetime. Of course we don't remember making those choices (handy that !)
My comeback is..ok then, how can we blame murderers, rapist and abusers for what they do. If you follow these lines then it happens because the victims have chosen it !
To me this is another way of certain types of people wrapping things up in pretty paper. Perish the thought that the world can be a terrible place and that life can be an absolute b***ard. Lets stop people questioning spirituality by making out it is all for a reason..ooh and let's not forget about making a load of money while we're at it !
Words fail me..or rather they don't. I just don't think my words on the sunject would be suitable for a forum !
(can I just add that I am talking about a FEW mediums and extremists and am in no way tarring all believers with the same brush)
I am an open minded skeptic to be honest but I have read a lot on the subject and what Derek wrote, and it doesnt really matter if he is a fake, is very consistent with hundreds of other supposed tesimonies from 'the other side'
To confirmed Athiests, what he wrote would appear shocking hence the threats etc I have read, I am truly sorry for anyone who has lost young relatives in horrific circumstances and I would fathom a guess that most of us have lost someone to a shocking death at some point in our lives.
I would appeal however for some perspective here rather than strong emotional reactions and take his comments into context to what he believes to be the truth.
You can all gang up and lambast me (which I expect) but I am just after open debate and this is the truth.
I don't believe in karma, I do believe that humanity is too big for there not to be some sort of higher power (what it is, I don't know). What I cannot and will not accept is that the justification for children dying in pain and misery is some sort of spiritual meaning because it's not. Try telling that to a parent and unless they are a complete moron they will agree
Post by lilacearthwitch on Dec 1, 2006 22:37:45 GMT
I read and heard somewhere that if you are bad in one life those things will come back and haunt you in the next life. Is this not similar to what Derek is saying also? I don't believe we have a choice really but being Wiccan I do actually feel we travel on and on in different lifes being different people. I don't think for a moment we get a say in what our fate will be. I am bloody sure if I had a choice then I would have been born with a great big silver spoon stuck in my mouth. Call me shallow but surely no one in the right mind would chose to be born into poverty or suffer terrible illnesses.
Last Edit: Dec 1, 2006 22:42:06 GMT by lilacearthwitch
It confirms my belief that such people (ie those always looking for spiritual answers to EVERYTHING), are in denial about the harsh realities of this thing we call life on Earth. Yes I do believe in God but in my world he set the ball rolling and we all have free will. The evil that men do upon fellow men is of their choosing not the poor victim. S**t happens Deggers - live with it - dont look for mystical reasons. Allow people to grieve properly - dont give false hope or apportion blame on the deceased. I would like to say to all Spiritualists/Mediums - GET REAL- Leave the dead to rest in peace and concentrate on the problems of the living!
As I said to Jon, in his new 'Donnis Perspective' in which he features this exerpt, Acorah's quote is rubbish. It should be brought to the attention of people like Sir Bob Geldof and Bono who have used their high profiles to do something about children dying of starvation. It shows Acorah is a tight, miserable and selfish old misanthropist.
Yes I have seen this quote somewhere else, not just from Acorah, and I think its wrong, very wrong. I think it also shows a particular warped way of thinking to say that someone "decides" to do these things to themselves. "I think I shall die slowly and painfully of starvation next time, lets see what thats like" or "I know, how about a horrific car crash, that'll take me closer to God", its sick, quite sick.
To think that if you do something bad in one life, the next life you will be punished. An INNOCENT baby will be born with horrific deformities because of a previous life? That is just a sick thought. No baby, or child deserves any pain, unfortunately life is like that, it throws horrible things at people for no reasons.
There doesnt need to be a spiritual excuse, just to try and explain it.
EVERY life is precious, however short and painful, it is still precious. And for someone to say that a child chose it really makes me feel sick.
I am sure that all mediums do not think like acorah on this situation.
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.