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Post by MoonRiver on Jul 26, 2008 0:53:56 GMT
This is taken from Dustin's 'Rules on Penpals' and I find it particularly worrying....
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Post by fluffet on Jul 26, 2008 3:34:51 GMT
Seen that MoonRiver and was really concerned by it , these kind of questions sound more to me like the ones a predator would like to know about a potential mark .
Note how it concentrates on the set up at home of the child , requests info on how the child gets along with parents or siblings , are they popular at school etc ,is money tight ?
All things that could be used to influence a child that feels left out , alone or vulnerable by someone who wanted to gain thier confidence and the last bit would give them info on whether lavishing them with gifts would work as a influencing tool .
A ten year old kid wouldnt ask this kind of thing or at least not in the way the above asks it . They would be more likely to say " What kind of music , games , sports do you like " or " I have brothers/sisters do you " .
This also caught my attention rules on new penpals -
Write more than one or two lines. Messages shorter than 3 words will be ignored. Do not send me forwarded mail, I won't even open it. Do not give out my email address to companies (greeting cards, "tell a friend", "invite a friend", or anyone else) without my permission. Please sign your letters with your name, that's how I keep track. Judge me by how I act, not what my age is. I will do the same, don't be afraid of me if you are younger, if you can write that's great. Don't expect me to reply immediately. I like to think about my mail. Don't place a "penpal" ad, then immediately want me to "chat". I don't chat. Don't tell me to go look at your webspace when I have to join something to see it. Try to jot down things to say before you write, if you draw a blank on the computer. Tell me enough about yourself that I can write something interesting to you.
Basically tell me as much as you can about yourself and i will then analyse it , come up with how i can use it and get back to you when ive got my plan of action ready !!!!!
It really does smack of grooming
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Post by Dippy on Jul 26, 2008 6:27:58 GMT
This gets more and more weird as I read this thread. Has anyone wrote to the Internet Watch Foundation? www.iwf.org.uk/public/page.20.191.htm I am just off out which is a poor excuse for me not writing to them myself I know but I am not sure about all the facts of this site. I don't seem to get the same pages as some of you are writing about.
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Post by Guthix on Jul 26, 2008 7:55:47 GMT
Fluffet your right all those things he wants to know is grooming, i cant believe i didnt mention that :/ This man needs to be stopped and very very soon. dippy the urls to this kid are www.cyberkidshome.com/dustin/Forum is cyber-kids-forum.org/why would any kid want to know those things about his penpals ? I have a nephew who was only 10 last year and fluffet is right its not the sort of thing a kid would want to know. He needs to be stopped ASAP UPDATE: i'm on that internet watch foundation page but i dunno what to report it under as they dont have a catagory for posing.
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Post by Guthix on Jul 26, 2008 8:08:49 GMT
I've wrote an email to there general enquires contact page, lets see if i get a reply.
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Post by fluffet on Jul 27, 2008 21:07:26 GMT
www.cyberkidshome.com/dustin/bestsites.htmlLooks like theres been some updates on dustins blog , dont remember seeing these other kids sites listed before and this sentence at the bottom is particulary worrying . "It is common for some web companies to not let you use their stuff if you are under 16 or under 13. Everyone ignores all this, and it is common to change your age to fit what they want you to be, when you are signing up to use what they offer. This is much different from lying to your visitors, penpals, and friends."
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Post by Guthix on Jul 27, 2008 22:19:37 GMT
Actually i did see that before and thank god its not easy to find, he is such an idiot for displaying other kids emails! I hope i get a reply soon from the site i wrote too about that guy.
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Post by BeamStalk on Jul 28, 2008 14:32:22 GMT
Actually julia is correct as one of the ips does originate in little rock usa, so thank you julia for taking the time to do that, It might be worth somehow sending the images of the boy in the blog to local schools to see weather he is a current student there. its a worth shot beamstalk as they do have experience in this kind of thing i use to be a forum member there a long time ago and i used to speak to frag on yahoo messenger a few times. the ip address is 208.70.74.14 or try 71.143.168.123 the second ip address goes to little rock in the usa You are right it is AT&T in Little Rock, I don't know why I didn't get that the first time.
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Post by Guthix on Jul 28, 2008 18:30:20 GMT
Julia, any reply yet to your email ? I'm still waiting on a reply when i wrote my email too that i sent to the iwf
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Post by Guthix on Aug 2, 2008 7:57:06 GMT
Hmm I didnt get a reply from that site i wrote too Julia, have you had any luck yet ?
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Post by Guthix on Aug 18, 2008 21:28:15 GMT
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Post by julia on Aug 18, 2008 23:16:10 GMT
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Post by Dippy on Aug 19, 2008 8:21:53 GMT
Even though this person seems to be based abroad, would it not be better to ring/write to one of our organisations here in the UK. They are all linked in some way or another and you may get more done......that is if you live in the UK Guthix.
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Post by Guthix on Aug 19, 2008 11:22:57 GMT
WTF, Its a very big concern. I think there is something more sinister going on here. yeah i'm even more concerned now as this guy is clearly posing as a child and has been for the past 6 or 7 years it seems atleast according the archieved pages of the website that i found on the wayback machine. I had a look at that virtualtask force thing but its only for reporting sexual abuse stuff, where can we report this kind of thing ?
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Post by BeamStalk on Aug 19, 2008 14:20:48 GMT
Sadly like most cons, there is nothing you can do until you are a victim or you know a victim that can come forward. I let Perverted Justice know and that is about all I can do at this time. There is no way I can do what they do, it would disgust me too much.
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Post by Guthix on Aug 19, 2008 14:27:59 GMT
Sadly like most cons, there is nothing you can do until you are a victim or you know a victim that can come forward. I let Perverted Justice know and that is about all I can do at this time. There is no way I can do what they do, it would disgust me too much. Hi beamstalk, thanks for reporting it to perverted-justice.com I've seen the work they and hopefully they will investigate further.
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Post by fluffet on Aug 19, 2008 23:47:28 GMT
Guthix ive kept an eye on"dustins" webpage and i checked out the archive links you posted . In 2003 Dusty first appears web.archive.org/web/20030814021801/aaakids.freeshell.org/rusty/He says he is 9 and in the fourth grade which would make him 14 NOW !!!!! Yet on the website now assuming is has been updated recently it says he is 11 ? When i search for aaakids.net/dustin/ on way back i cant get any results to tell me when it was last updated though . More interestingly though i looked back at some of the archive for aaakids and there was a link to a favourite websites page web.archive.org/web/20030422135846/aaakids.freeshell.org/fav/index.htmlCheck out the one that says web.archive.org/web/20030424111427/www.shavenferret.com/It says its NOT for under 18s clearly so strange it should be included on a site for 8 to 12 old boys ? Checked it out and its pathetic humour at its worst but nothing too bad still not for the young . On way back at the start of aaakids there is no mention of dustin , but there is of two brothers, Kenny the older one and his little brother Robbie who Dustin list as friends at somepoint . web.archive.org/web/20021203164822/aaakids.freeshell.org/rr/index.htmlNow this kid was 12 in 2003 so he'd be 17 now ? Funnily enough the links to pictures of Robbie show the images have been deleted but the website and the writing on it is uncannily familiar in style grammar and content to dustins ? Could they be a earlier incarnation of the same kid or maybe another made up one ? Either way Dustin states they are friends as recent as this current link aaakids.net/dustin/penpals.html where he thanks "robbie and kevin " for their help ....so a 17 year old and an even older brother are supposed to be palling about with a 11 year old who actually should be 14 by now ? NONE OF THIS ADDS UP , the ages are all wrong and inconsistant , the web pages are all written in the same type of style and language and all through it all the only mention of this college grad who is apparently now a father if you read dustins suspiciously updated page where he goes into WAY more detail about the set up of his computer camp and scooby than he did only a month ago ?(i wonder why )http://aaakids.net/dustin/faq.html . Never this scoobys full name , or age for that matter. Worryingly also i found a link to this on one of the archived sites from 2002 for aaakids web.archive.org/web/20021107131946/aaakids.freeshell.org/e-boys/faq.html Looks like yet another group aimed at young boys . Saddest of all one of robbies posts is this when he says he is 11 from 2002 ? web.archive.org/web/20020914162927/aaakids.net/rr/deardad.htmlA vulnerable kid once again by the sounds of it and i note he puts his fathers full name on the post i wonder if the kids existance could be checked with this surname ? Either way theres LOTS to be wary about here and i really hope you get some results or at least someone to check this all out and hopefully there isnt a predator at work here but its all way to weird for me . Keep me up todate with anything you get a reply on and if theres anything i can do im no computer whizz but im happy to do lookups or any research i can . Shaz
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Post by Guthix on Aug 20, 2008 8:29:29 GMT
Hi shazz, I believe the man created the persona of dustin sometime after the other boys as maybe they were not doing so well in finding kids at that time. he must have first created him back in 2002 or 2001 and then used it for a few years until the persona was to turn 13 but then i think he decided to wind back the clock on the dustin persona to start again with the whole penpal thing. its very strange all of this and its why i think this man needs to be exposed there is certainly enough evidence to write up a report to show the kids that hes been in contact with that hes dangerous, I've seen this kind of thing before actually where an adult has posed as a child to get close to them back in 2002 actually when i had just joined wiredreality as a moderator there was this boy who said he was 12 years old but he ended up being a 23 year old man from america. It would be nice if we could do a write up for publication on a website to expose this man i dont think jon would allow us to post in on badpsychics but the whole dustin thing does need to be exposed in a big way. I only hope that perverted-justice look into it because at the moment its all we got, I've written to local law enforcements in the areas where dustin claims he lives but i didnt receive any reply
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Post by Guthix on Aug 24, 2008 8:55:20 GMT
Another update on this case it seems that this "scooby" guy is gonna shut down CK
Here is a forum posting.
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Post by mookster on Aug 24, 2008 10:33:24 GMT
Hmm, maybe he feels that he is about to be rumbled.
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