Unity of UK Psychic Surgeons

[julia]

An interesting snippet of info from our pal Nina Knowland at the UUKPS:

www.ukpsychicsurgeons.org.uk/?Members_Insurance

“The practice of Psychic Surgery that complies with the strict protocols as they apply to a member of, and set by, the Panel of the Unity of UK Psychic Surgeon's Handbook and Code of Conduct.

Thanks to the Organization’s Protocol formed by the Unity of UK Psychic Surgeons our Organization is pleased to announce that for the first time member's who practice Psychic Surgery are able to get fully Insured in this country.

This insurance will be available to member's of the Unity of UK Psychic Surgeons in the United Kingdom. The Insurance will only cover Practitioner’s abiding by the strict Code of Conduct of the Unity of UK Psychic Surgeons.

Member will be able to purchase a Certificate of Malpractice and Professional Insurance from a reputable Insurance company. (see Members subscription)

Through the course of history Psychic Surgeons have never been able to get insurance before.
Psychic Surgeons have practiced in this Country uninsured for many years.

It is very important to the Founder member's of the Unity of UK Psychic Surgeons that we have achieved our aim, to get our member's fully insured.

The young and up and coming Psychic Surgeons today may not realise what an achievement this has been. I hope they will not jeopardize our achievements by not conforming to our strict regulations.

Lets hope more Genuine practitioner's come forward.

The fraudulent practitioner's will only be interested in getting insurance, they will not be interested in time invested for Research to prove their ability, because they know it will become obvious to the Researcher's they have no genuine ability, they will be found out for what they are. Their insurance will be become void, as it only applies to practitioner's abiding by our Code of Conduct.

Psychic Surgery Practitioner's who operated fraudulently have given the genuine Mediums a bad name, whether they were driven by financial gain, or just for showmanship and ego, they think they are beyond the Law and can practice how they like.

That may seem quite a statement but I feel strongly about the Organization and our member’s who have a genuine gift of amazing healing with the support and knowledge of their Guides.

As member's of the Unity of UK Psychic Surgeons you will be able to get Insurance to cover your healing, providing you follow our Code of Conduct & Code of Practice.

Malpractice and Professional Liability Insurance

The insurance will cost
£119.00 per year for £1,000,000 Cover.
£140.49 per year for £2,000,000 Cover.
You may arrange to pay £150.00 divided into 12 monthly payments.

Psychic Surgery Practitioner's who operated fraudulently have given the genuine Mediums a bad name, whether they were driven by financial gain, or just for showmanship and ego, they think they are beyond the Law and can practice how they like.

Coming from Nina Knowland that's both hilarious and disgusting. But which "reputable insurance company" would get involved with an outfit that charges punters for its members time, not their services?

Oh, and Gary Mannion has left the UUKPS for "personal reasons".

[Dippy]

Who is this Insurance Policy with?
The insurance will cost

£119.00 per year for £1,000,000 Cover.
£140.49 per year for £2,000,000 Cover.
You may arrange to pay £150.00 divided into 12 monthly payments.

Is it with a bona fide Insurance Company?

And if set up by them where on earth did they get the Cover money from should anyone get sued?

I also noted she has taken the time to pay about £45 to copyright anything that is written on the site or in any paper handouts they have. Does she think that this will make being a psychic surgeon anymore real than it isn't?

[julia]

It reminds me of Gary's "ABE insurance"!

[conbott]

It sounds dodgy to me. Like Dippy said where on earth would money in substantial amounts come from if someone was sued? There's no stopping these people sometimes. Anything to give themselves false credibility. Sickening. I'm no insurance expert but those prices look pretty steep to me.

[julia]

I wonder if this is a matter for Trading Standards?

[conbott]

Aug 19, 2008 19:04:37 GMT julia said:

I wonder if this is a matter for Trading Standards?

Hopefully yes. It just doesn't sound right. Again I'm no insurance expert but I have a hard time believing that any reputable firm would agree on such a cover. The problem is we don't know what the method is behind their madness, we just know that they're mad.

[fluffet]

No reputable insurance firm would take this up , the risk is far to big for the small premiums they are quoting nevermind the fact that the promise of a governing body and members of the same having to abide by strict rules means NOTHING to an insurance company when the practise they are insuring has no research that proves it is infact safe and works .
It would be akin to offering insurance to someone who says they heal people by tapping them on the head with a magic wand , without research to prove it works , has no dangerous side effects and has a uniform correct way of being practised i fail to see how they can insure them .
How would they define malpractise if they cant define the actual practise and its results in the first place ?
It all sounds a bit mental to be honest , and £1000000 cover for a paltry £119 a year for a business that is wide open to claims of malpractise ? The figures dont add up and if an insurance company is daft enough to be offering this without like a MILLION get out clauses for not paying up then they are heading for bankruptcy because its leaving them open to MASSIVE risk and huge payouts .

[farsideofthemoon]

How about these guys?

www.insurancedataservices.co.uk/

Insurance Data Services have been arranging Insurance for the Alternative & Complementary Medical Professions since 1983.

We provide Medical Malpractice Insurance, Therapy Insurance, Alternative Medicine Insurance, Negligence Insurance, Medical Liability Insurance, Osteopath Insurance, Acupuncture Insurance, Chiropodist Insurance, Chiropractor Insurance, Homeopath and Remedial Massage Insurance to medical professions.

Our Medical Malpractice Insurance Package has always provided cover under a 'claims occuring' wording, rather than 'claims made', because this ensures that the practitioner will be protected whether a claim is received during the life of the policy or not.

When comparing Medical Malpractice Insurance always consider this vital question - Is it 'claims occurring' or is it 'claims made'?

Our insurance packages are underwritten by Royal & Sun Alliance Insurance plc and have been continually developed to meet the needs of the alternative and complementary medical professions, which is increasingly important with the public becoming ever more litigation conscious. We believe they provide the best protection available for the practitioner, for the patient, and for the clinic proprietor.

This insurance will have more exclusions and conditions than you could imagine. The medical malpractice will be easy to insure - psychic surgeons don't actually do anything. I'd say if a psychic surgeon told a patient not to go to a doctor, that may well invalidate their insurance.

I might have a further look at this tomorrow. RSA is a large reputable company.

[farsideofthemoon]

More here:

www.insurancedataservices.co.uk/pdfs/kqbutvqqcspd.pdf

There's nothing exceptional about this type of insurance - it's really available to any professional. It's protecting against claims for accidents, harrassment etc, and is essential if someone is working from a business premises. If a psychic surgeon isn't actually doing any medical work, there is little risk of medical mistreatment occuring.

If they told someone not to seek medical advice that might be something they could be sued for, but given that psychic surgeons are unregulated, it is potentially hard to prove and also I doubt these idiots would put themselves in that position.

[farsideofthemoon]

I can just imagine the conversation with the insurance broker:

Broker : So what's the chances of this treatment going wrong and actually harming someone then?
Nina Knowland : Emm, very unlikely.
Broker : Why's that?
Nina Knowland : We don't actually do anything or give them any medicines to take.
Broker : Insurance won't be a problem then

[fluffet]

I see what you mean ,so if the wording of the insurance policy is done in such a way that it says only if actual physical damage or harm is caused as a direct result of something a practioner does to the patient can malpractise be claimed then i suppose it wouldnt include claims where a patient only claimed no benefits from the service they sought ie they didnt improve but they didnt get worse ?
Could it be as most of the services dont actually do ANYTHING physically to the patient that chances of a practioner hurting or damaging someone physically would be relatively low hence less risk ?
Whatever it is im betting the policy would be full of clauses and get outs to the point a philly lawyer couldnt get a claim out of it .
RSA are a big concern but im still really amazed that any insurance company would take this on especially if it includes homopathic practioners who prescribe herbal remedies which could potentially cause physical damage if given to someone who reacts strongly or is allergic to them ?
Interested to see the details of the cover etc and what the clauses ,rules etc are .

[tomroberts]

Quote Julia,

Oh, and Gary Mannion has left the UUKPS for "personal reasons".

There is now a link to a page about "SkillTrade" - Gary's new business venture - on his homepage.

Perhaps Gary is giving up Psychic Surgery, and going "legit".

www.garymannion.com/

[farsideofthemoon]

A link to a supposed legitimate skill trading site from a complete con-artist of a site? Yep, lends it loads of credibility.

His new site ain't going anywhere either, been loads of attempts to try to create places where people can go to get trustworthy tradespeople (I know thats not exactly what this site) but none of them work for various reasons.

The internet works because it bypasses the need for people to be close together. Very, very few sites aiming at setting up something at a local level have managed to last the pace. His site is dependent on a critical mass of people signing up in each area - which won't happen.