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Post by julia on Sept 18, 2008 13:19:37 GMT
Read it and weep: www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west...6451-21801407/I've sent the following letter to the editor: It is obvious from the contents of Teresa Andrews' letter (11th September) that she has not read the criticism of Gary Mannion on www.badpsychics.com, a link to which was provided in Tara Brady's article. Unfortunately the piece did not include a link to my own site www.badpsychicsgarymannion.co.uk, which is a more detailed and thoroughly researched debunking of Mr Mannion's claims. Gary Mannion may well be "very nicely spoken" but he has also violated the Cancer Act, which forbids any unqualified person offering to treat or cure the disease, by including on his website a testimonial from a man whose terminal liver cancer he supposedly cured in two days. Mr Mannion was forced to remove this claim by Brent and Harrow Trading Standards. His publicity material makes much of the fact that he has worked with "leading medical professionals", yet when members of UK-Skeptics asked him to name them he could only come up with three - obstetrician Dr Gowri Motha; Manesh Naidoo, Head of Physiotherapy at Northwick Park Hospital; and homeopathic doctor Glen Davies. I attempted to contact all of them, only to discover that although Dr Motha knows Mr Mannion she shares my concern at what she refers to as his "extravagant claims" and has since asked him not to use her name in his talks. No-one called Manesh Naidoo has ever been employed as Head of Physiotherapy at Northwick Park Hospital (the position is currently held by Sangita Patel) and representatives of the hospital threatened Mr Mannion with legal action if he continued to name Northwick Park on his website. Glen Davies does not appear to be a member of any professional homeopathic organisation, and since Mr Mannion has declined to provide further information I have no reason to believe that such a person even exists. I leave Ms Andrews to decide if this is the behaviour of an honest man. It is clear from the testimonials on his website that Mr Mannion's "cures", from which he seems to be making a very good living, are due entirely to the placebo effect. He may be genuinely deluded or simply a conman, but in my opinion he is exploiting the sick and/or gullible people who provide the New Age industry with millions of pounds each year. I have no intention of leaving Mr Mannion - and others like him - alone. And if Ms Andrews has any intention of putting her ingrown toenail into Mr Mannion's hands specifically to AVOID a course of injections I have to assume that she hasn't looked at www.garymannion.com either, since he is now falling over himself in his eagerness to make it clear to potential clients that his ministrations are complementary to mainstream medical treatment, not a replacement for it. Yet the site still includes testimonials from three people who did precisely that...evidently Mr Mannion's psychic skills don't extend to detecting contradictory claims on his own website! |
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Post by xavierp on Sept 18, 2008 13:59:11 GMT
Hi Julia, the link is broken, looks as though you copied the link from another forum? Could you repost it in full please.
To be on topic - nice, reasoned, polite response. I like it, so have a karma!
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Post by conbott on Sept 18, 2008 14:10:28 GMT
I like your response Julia. I can't get the webpage up either. It seems that Mr Mannion is still clearly deluded and yet earns a tidy sum. No surprise there.  |
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Post by julia on Sept 18, 2008 15:46:56 GMT
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Post by BeamStalk on Sept 18, 2008 16:14:05 GMT
That works for me and very good response Julia.
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Post by conbott on Sept 18, 2008 17:12:37 GMT
I just hope the day never comes when Gary Mannion uses the MRSA bug as a tool to get what he wants. Mind you for all we know he may have already. And given by the way he talks he comes across as a childish young adult too. Teresa Andrews just adds more misery and lies to what is already so wrong. Why on earth anyone would put their trust in him is beyond me. Let's see if she responds to your letter Julia. That'll be an interesting update.
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Post by Guthix on Sept 18, 2008 17:34:51 GMT
I sure hope the editor responds to this. gary mannion is nothing but a con man
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Post by xavierp on Sept 18, 2008 19:44:43 GMT
Gary is a con man, but clearly this woman is just as bad. She manages to turn a reasoned response in to a feeling of victimhood - yes, we all fear MRSA, but do the figures on MRSA bear out this fear? I've spent time in hospitals and never contracted it. No one I know has ever had and I don't think anyone they know has had it either.
Psychic surgery is a scam and it's easy to prove that 100% of people who have received have been scammed. And I doubt that pulling chicken livers out of your clenched fist after pushing on someone's stomach will cure an ingrown toenail, either.
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Post by fluffet on Sept 18, 2008 21:31:35 GMT
Great response Julia ! And i too look forward to seeing what answer you get if any on this one .
On the MRSA note , if i had a four inch nail sticking through my foot bleeding all over the place would i go to a psychic surgeon incase setting foot in a hospital gave me MRSA ?
If my child was stung by a bee and suffered a severe allergic reaction gasping for breath and in the first stage of anaphylaxis would i rush them to the first psychic surgeons door to avoid unclean waiting rooms or wards ?
If i was in a car crash and suffered a broken limb , lacerations and all means of other horrors would i beat a path to Gary Mannions door instead of casualty in fear of MRSA ?
No of course i bleeding wouldn't so why the hell would i go to him to treat CANCER !!!!!
If the man can cure cancer by nothing more that thought and words and a few sweeps of the hand then surely he could magic up a wound ,or cure an allergic reaction , or mend a broken limb but he can do NONE of these things .
Im pretty sure if someone turned up at his door bleeding from a stab wound and asking him to "heal " them he'd poop his pants and call an ambulance so why does he think he can offer cures to anything else presumably only things that dont involve blood, puke or anything else being spilt on his floor .
These things are immediate , they have to be treated then and there and results would be immediately noticeable ie. wound stops bleeding , bones are reset , tongues aren't swallowed , allergic reactions are stopped , since Gary doesn't deal in the immediate , or the actual , or the see able and definable he couldn't do a thing in these cases to convince you it was working .
With something like cancer that cant be seen as clearly as a bleeding wound or broken limb, progresses over a period of time and is not as immediate in its response to treatment he is on a winner .
Makes me sick , and for this person to use MRSA as an excuse NOT to seek treatment from proper medical facilities is ridiculous , would you not jump in a filthy pond if your kid fell in it and was sinking just incase you caught something ?
Would you pee yourself rather than use a public toilet incase it had MRSA lurking in it ?
Would you let yourself die rather than seek treatment just incase you caught MRSA ?
NO .
And to use the example of a ingrowing toenail , not exactly life threatening just cheapens her argument as its a hell of a lot different than seeking out treatment for cancer from someone like Mannion .
Sigh ....rant over .....sorry it really really gets me going this kind of thing .
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Sept 19, 2008 8:33:49 GMT
depending on what more is said Julia, if you manage a final article about this let meknow so i can put it on BP as well as the mannion site
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Post by julia on Sept 19, 2008 12:05:51 GMT
Jon, I'm working this up into an article for the Mannion site at the moment. I doubt if my reply will be published as it's quite some time since the letter appeared, but you never know. Could someone please put the Andrews letter on this site ASAP? I only used a link to it because I'm still getting used to my laptop and am having difficulty selecting stuff on websites!
When that's finished I'll do another piece about the woo-fest Gary is currently attending in Wales.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Sept 19, 2008 15:52:21 GMT
This you mean?
I am a psychic and I have known since I was 21 when I moved into my first home in the Crystal Palace area and found it to be haunted.
Since then I have been fascinated with ghosts and the paranormal.
I have visited many spiritualist churches and circles in order to develop my own psychic skills but like Gary Mannion I have had to put up with a lot of ridicule and speculation.
I have been accused of witchcraft and worshipping the Devil (whoever he is!). I have also had two investigators come to our church one time.
They left very disappointed that we don't do human sacrifices (besides you just can't get the virgins these days can you).
I happen to know Gary Mannion and he is a very nicely spoken young man and is well-behaved and doesn't give anyone any trouble; he wants to heal and bring comfort, so what's wrong with that!
Julia Atkinson said that she is horrified by sick people seeing Gary Mannion. Well, I am horrified about having hospital treatment with all this MRSA flying around and I am allergic to many forms of medication.
I cannot afford private care and also I have been writing since November to have an ingrowing toenail removed in which I will need to face my biggest fear - injections, six of them!
I am in a lot of pain and discomfort and if Gary or any other psychic healer can sort it out please let them be my guests.
Julia, worry about the teenagers stabbing one another and do something more useful and leave Gary Mannion alone.
TERESA ANDREWS
Northolt Rd South Harrow
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Post by Tetchy on Sept 19, 2008 19:58:33 GMT
Why doesn't she just get Mannion to fix her ingrowing toe-nail and be done with it? Oh that's right it's because he can't, psychic ingrowing toenail removal is still in it's infancy and much research still has to be done into it. And another thing. MRSA. As you may or may not be aware I am a healthcare professional (I'm a qualified and Registered General Nurse) for twenty years. I work in a general hospital dealing with everyday members of the public who require treatment for cancer which we help them with through surgery. Not Psychic surgery but the real kind. Now in my role as a ward manager it is mine and my staff's duty of care to ensure that all patients are cared for in a clean and safe enviroment and to those ends we work our arses off scrubbing and cleaning our ward day and night to keep it clean. The incidence of MRSA is very low in our whole unit and as far as I am aware none of our patients have died from it. Very very very sick people who contract MRSA may die from it if it enters their bloodstream (Septicaemia), but a lot of the time the infection can be dealt with by the use of the proper antibiotics. But the fact is you and I may be sitting at our computers now and be carrying a strain of MRSA yet not be infected by it. That is why it is highlighted that visitors clean their hands before coming onto the ward. That is standard or should be standard practice throughout the NHS. The MRSA can be spread through dead skin cells and touch is one of the most common methods of travel. MRSA does not only exist in hospitals. It is rife in the community also. For people to be afraid to enter hospital for fear of contracting MRSA is only putting their own health and life at risk. The modern media sensationalise any outbreak of MRSA because it makes good news but they don't do anything to praise the thousands of people who work in all sectors of the NHS who are trying to make coming into hospital a safer experience. RANT OVER. Thanks for listening. One more thing. If Teresa can't afford private healthcare who is she writing too and even if she could afford private healthcare she would still be afraid of needles and still be allergic to most of the medication so it won't matter where she is treated because private healthcare hospitals and clinics may have been infected by MRSA too because most of the doctors who work in private healthcare also have contracts in the NHS. Thanks Again Love and Respect T  |
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Post by tomroberts on Sept 19, 2008 20:27:33 GMT
Tetchy,
This is completely off the Mannion topic, but I felt I had to comment on what you said about MRSA. My mother has been in an elderly care ward for over 3 weeks with a chest infection and flare-up of diverticulitis. The unit is almost obsessive about staff and visitors using the gel-stuff on their hands. There are signs on the floors and the walls. Every bed has a dispenser - some of the nurses have their own little dispensers on their belts. There are wall dispensers every few yards. The staff and most of the visitors are constantly applying the gel.
It seems to be working - the latest figures I saw on the BBC website said MRSA cases are substantially down over the last year.
Sorry, my little rant over too.
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Post by farsideofthemoon on Sept 19, 2008 22:08:12 GMT
Gary is a con man, but clearly this woman is just as bad. She manages to turn a reasoned response in to a feeling of victimhood - yes, we all fear MRSA, but do the figures on MRSA bear out this fear? I've spent time in hospitals and never contracted it. No one I know has ever had and I don't think anyone they know has had it either. Psychic surgery is a scam and it's easy to prove that 100% of people who have received have been scammed. And I doubt that pulling chicken livers out of your clenched fist after pushing on someone's stomach will cure an ingrown toenail, either. Mannion is even a crap psychic surgeon, he doesn't use any animal entrails to maintain the illusion that he is pulling things out of the body, his selling point is that he is non-evasive. Yeah, really. |
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Post by Tetchy on Sept 21, 2008 21:32:07 GMT
tomroberts, That is good to hear, my own ward is also obsessive about cleanliness and hand hygiene but I fear you may have misintrepreted what I was trying to say. Although it should be common practice throughout the NHS and in your and my case it is, but in so many others it isn't and it's the ones who don't and are rife with MRSA that make the headlines. But i'm glad your mother is in a good clean ward with staff who obviously care about protetcting their patients from Hospital Acquired Infections. T  |
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Post by Amaris on Sept 22, 2008 1:32:29 GMT
But the fact is you and I may be sitting at our computers now and be carrying a strain of MRSA yet not be infected by it.
That is why it is highlighted that visitors clean their hands before coming onto the ward. That is standard or should be standard practice throughout the NHS.
The MRSA can be spread through dead skin cells and touch is one of the most common methods of travel.
MRSA does not only exist in hospitals. It is rife in the community also.For people to be afraid to enter hospital for fear of contracting MRSA is only putting their own health and life at risk.
The modern media sensationalise any outbreak of MRSA because it makes good news but they don't do anything to praise the thousands of people who work in all sectors of the NHS who are trying to make coming into hospital a safer experience.
To even imagine in this day and age people will put their life in the hands of self proclaimed "healers" is incredible! And that these "healers" are still getting away with playing with a human life is disgusting.
Thank goodness for sites like BP and investigators willing to put their time into showing the public the reality of these scams. |
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