Andy Porter......

[tomroberts]

...."Psychic Surgeon". Yes, another one! I was having a hunt round last night and found this.....(actually I'm sure he has been mentioned here before, but I couldn't find anything)

What conditions can Psychic Surgery treat?

Psychic surgery is able to treat all conditions because the healing is performed by spirit, not the individual doing the work, and as many of today's ailments exist due to an un-balance in the spiritual body they are almost exclusively un-treatable in the western way through medicine.

This can be highlighted with Schizophrenia, this condition in my experience is normally due to spirit possession and can be resolved within 1 hour but the western approach is to condemn those afflicted to mental institutions as the existence of spirit is not widely accepted

[My emphasis]

So the person I know who has suffered with this terrible condition for more than 20 years, can have his problem "resolved" within 1 hour, by someone who, I am guessing here, has no psychiatric or indeed general medical qualifications.

This claim, referring to vulnerable people with a major psychiatric illness, is disgraceful. If people with a bit of back pain, or ingrowing toenail, want to give their money to quacks and idiots, let them.

To me, this claim is on an altogether different level.

www.andy-porter.co.uk/index.html

Thoughts, anyone???

Edit.

Andy, togther with Gary Mannion and Nina Knowland founded the UUPS. Gary has since left


www.ukpsychicsurgeons.org.uk/?Unity_Of_UK%26nbsp%3BPsychic_Surgeons

[Mr. Jon Donnis]

I knew the name was familiar.

Surely his claims are illegal?

he sounds as bad as mannion

[tomroberts]

Jan 3, 2009 16:10:09 GMT Mr. Jon Donnis said:

I knew the name was familiar.

Surely his claims are illegal?

he sounds as bad as mannion

SCHEDULE 1 Commercial practices which are in all circumstances considered unfair

17. Falsely claiming that a product is able to cure illnesses, dysfunction or malformations.

www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2008/draft/ukdsi_9780110811574_en_5

He is not selling a product, but I'm am guessing a service has to meet the same conditions.

Mannion at least provided some testimonials of a kind - I cannot find any on Porter's site.

I'll be contacting Wiltshire TS to see what they say.

[Mr. Jon Donnis]

Too many of these Trading Standards are bloody gutless, I want one to just come along and truely put one of these frauds out of business.

Please let me know how you get on, maybe we can get an article out of it, at the very least if we can have something on the site that shows this guy got stopped from making at least one claim that is good

[farsideofthemoon]

I've got a radio interview downloaded from the UPS site, don't know if it is still on there (I can't find any links to it although it is mentioned). I had partly transcribed it (it's long) but will finish when I get the time. It has Porter, Mannion and Knowland talking complete crap.

Given that Knowland heavily implied that Mannion was a fake when she 'kicked' him out, it will be interesting to find out how much she agrees with him in the interview.

[tomroberts]

Jan 3, 2009 22:55:09 GMT farsideofthemoon said:

I've got a radio interview downloaded from the UPS site, don't know if it is still on there (I can't find any links to it although it is mentioned). I had partly transcribed it (it's long) but will finish when I get the time. It has Porter, Mannion and Knowland talking complete crap.

Given that Knowland heavily implied that Mannion was a fake when she 'kicked' him out, it will be interesting to find out how much she agrees with him in the interview.

Farside

Can you say how you know Knowland kicked Gary out? I always just assumed he left from choice. It is odd- everything about mannion always is - but on his site, he originally claimed to be the founder of UUPS, but after I hade made a comment on UKS, it suddenly became "co-founder"!

[tomroberts]

Jan 3, 2009 18:16:48 GMT Mr. Jon Donnis said:

Too many of these Trading Standards are bloody gutless, I want one to just come along and truely put one of these frauds out of business.

Please let me know how you get on, maybe we can get an article out of it, at the very least if we can have something on the site that shows this guy got stopped from making at least one claim that is good

I guess that most people in Trading Standards are over-worked and under-staffed.. Anyway, I have sent an email to Wiltshire TS, and will send an additional letter tomorrow with added info about "psychic surgery".

A member of UKS, "pebble" has drawn attention to this claim from Porter...

What conditions can be treated?

The work is performed by spirit surgeons working through my hands, and they are happy to treat all conditions and diseases.[/size]

Is he implying he can treat cancer? If so, that is illegal, as I understand it.

www.andy-porter.co.uk/index.html

[julia]

Tom, I was thinking about doing a new article on Porter but if you'd like to do one yourself please go ahead. There's already an old article about this delusional idiot on my Mannion site:

stargoss.co.uk/garymannion/modules/news/article.php?storyid=39

[tomroberts]

Jan 4, 2009 13:07:51 GMT julia said:

Tom, I was thinking about doing a new article on Porter but if you'd like to do one yourself please go ahead. There's already an old article about this delusional idiot on my Mannion site:

stargoss.co.uk/garymannion/modules/news/article.php?storyid=39

Julia,

Please go ahead - I'll provide any info I receive.

Didn't Knowland have to remove claims of treating cancer months and months ago, or am I getting her mixed up with someone else?

[julia]

Yes, Nina's a slow learner so Meercat had to get his teeth into her twice over her claim to have "successfully treated" cancer:

badpsychics.com/thefraudfiles/modules/news/article.php?storyid=603
badpsychics.com/thefraudfiles/modules/news/article.php?storyid=660

For those readers new to Nina, she came to our attention when she approached her local newspaper to tell them about her search for children with Cystic Fibrosis to benefit from her wondrous healing powers. In Nina's own words,

"The truth is I had offered to help children (no charge) with Cystic Fibrosis, it is a condition near to my heart which I feel strongly about, I had already written and consulted the Chief Executive of the Cystic Fibrosis Trust with my offer of help."

Nina wasn't the only person to consult the Chief Executive of the Cystic Fibrosis Trust - BP reader Hayley also did so, and here's the reply she got:

"Thank you for bringing to our attention details of the newspaper article from Nina Knowland. We do share your concerns about this, as with other such promises or statements, many of which can cause considerable harm, especially to those who are desperate or vulnerable.
We will certainly keep an eye on the situation and if the problem rears its head at all, we will certainly do something about it.
With Kind regards
Chief Executive
Cystic Fibrosis Trust"

I'll bring Andy Porter's grossly irresponsible claims regarding schizophrenia to the attention of the relevant organisations.

[tomroberts]

The claim that schizophrenia can be "resolved" in less than an hour has disappeared from Porter's site.

Perhaps someone had a word with him??

This can be highlighted with Schizophrenia, this condition in my experience and opinion is normally due to spirit possession, the western approach is to condemn those afflicted to mental institutions as the existence of spirit is not widely accepted. (click here for more info on Schizophrenia)

[farsideofthemoon]

Jan 4, 2009 11:14:51 GMT tomroberts said:

Jan 3, 2009 22:55:09 GMT farsideofthemoon said:

I've got a radio interview downloaded from the UPS site, don't know if it is still on there (I can't find any links to it although it is mentioned). I had partly transcribed it (it's long) but will finish when I get the time. It has Porter, Mannion and Knowland talking complete crap.

Given that Knowland heavily implied that Mannion was a fake when she 'kicked' him out, it will be interesting to find out how much she agrees with him in the interview.

Farside

Can you say how you know Knowland kicked Gary out? I always just assumed he left from choice. It is odd- everything about mannion always is - but on his site, he originally claimed to be the founder of UUPS, but after I hade made a comment on UKS, it suddently became "co-founder"!

I jumped to conclusions!

I'm sure it was heavily insinuated by Knowland that they had a fallout. I'll try to dig out the thread, I'm sure I found it for Julia a month or so back.

[farsideofthemoon]

Here it is, read the first post on this carefully!

moh2005.proboards78.com/index.cgi?board=homeo&action=display&thread=5385

[tomroberts]

Jan 5, 2009 18:47:04 GMT farsideofthemoon said:

Here it is, read the first post on this carefully!

moh2005.proboards78.com/index.cgi?board=homeo&action=display&thread=5385

Thanks. So am I getting this right, one "psychic surgeon" criticising another for being unprofessional?

[farsideofthemoon]

Maybe she really is just deluded, and wasn't aware the rest of them are con artists? It's a possibility.

[tomroberts]

Jan 3, 2009 16:54:38 GMT tomroberts said:

Jan 3, 2009 16:10:09 GMT Mr. Jon Donnis said:

I knew the name was familiar.

Surely his claims are illegal?

he sounds as bad as mannion

SCHEDULE 1 Commercial practices which are in all circumstances considered unfair

17. Falsely claiming that a product is able to cure illnesses, dysfunction or malformations.

www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2008/draft/ukdsi_9780110811574_en_5

He is not selling a product, but I'm am guessing a service has to meet the same conditions.

Mannion at least provided some testimonials of a kind - I cannot find any on Porter's site.

I'll be contacting Wiltshire TS to see what they say.

A reply from Wilts TS arrived today.

Final para.."Whilst I understand your concerns, and am grateful for the background information (re psychic surgery) you have provided at this point in time I do not have any evidence to prove Mr Porter is making false claims in the course of his business."

Hmm. Oh well....I'll add something else from the letter...

"Even if we received a few complaints I know from past experience of dealing with other "healing" claims that there will always be people who will give testimony to the authenticity of the claim"

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So TS are willing to accept anecdotal nonsense from people who were ill at the time of being treated?
Surely TS know how depserate people are to believe a miracle cure is working?!
How bloody frustrating!!

[julia]

I e-mailed the charity "Rethink" twice regarding Porter and got no reply. Then I noticed that their site - www.rethink.org/ - had a discussion forum, which I joined mainly to post this warning:

I'd like to warn schizophrenia sufferers and their carers about Andy Porter, a Wiltshire-based "psychic surgeon" who thinks the illness is caused by spirit possession. Until very recently Mr Porter was claiming that the condition can be "resolved within 1 hour"; these words were removed after being quoted and deservedly ridiculed on several websites. Mr Porter's own website, www.andy-porter.co.uk, has to be read to be disbelieved - it's hard to believe that this nonsense is being peddled in the first decade of the 21st century. He doesn't say exactly what his treatment for schizophrenia includes, but presumably it's a kind of exorcism for which he charges £30.

So far my post has garnered fourteen replies. Most of them are perfect illustrations of why Rethink, other mental health charities and the media in general aren't interested in debunking stories - they know woo ideas are widespread and don't want to alienate their supporters/readers.

Take a look at these little gems:

Yes it is a big world/universe the seen and unseen worlds spiritual, biochemical, different energies, possesion even. I always think theres no smoke without fire in the posession camp.
With my freinds mum the healer had a doctor who worked through him in trance.
When young i met a girl who was posessed to recount it all here would be longwinded but she definately was.When it looked like help was available the posessing spirit who was male made sure she made a hasty escape, and this was executed with cunning and guile she herself never had.

First of all we shouldn't discount the existence of spirit possession. All Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) believe that God also created unseen spirits and these spirits can enter the human body and can cause medical problems including mental. Pope Benedict even ordered the formation of exorcist squads in Dec 2007 (www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504969/Popes-exo rcist-squads-wage-war-Satan.html). Spirits are living organisms, they eat and they excrete. So just imagine what they eat whilst in the human body and what they excrete...

I do not want to jump into conclusion on the relationship between schizophrenia and spirit possession. I am more interested in conducting a scientific research between the two so that the outcome can be published as a scientific research in a respected medical journal. Part of the study is to use modern medical equipment to monitor the patients brain activity, body temperature and physical response (e.g. pain) etc whenever certain Quranic verses are read.

To make the study meaningful, we need a sizeable number of schizophrenia patients. If you know of schizophrenia sufferers who are interested in participating in this study, please contact me. Patient do not have to embrace the Islamic faith and we would require that their psychiatrists is aware of the study and all diagnostic or treatment sessions be recorded officially.

If you do not want to take part in the study but simply want to check if there is any element of spirit possession in a schizophrenic sufferer, please also contact me. I will try to arrange for a diagnostic session.

He doesn't seem that out there nor making any outrageous claims. He is a Reiki practitioner. I would actually go with some of the things he says - it is a perspective which gives a frame of reference to certain experiences - & having had "Reiki" & other spiritual healing & alternative treatment - such things have genuinely helped me more than anything else.

The only real way to tell how effective he is would be to employ his services.

Oh dear,the problem with the psychic and mediumistic world is that whilst most are reputable, there sadly has been the odd one that brings their reputation into question.
Many years ago my freinds mother had an incurable eye condition that was going to lead to blindness. So i told her about a psychic surgeon i knew within the spiritualist movement.
She went and was helped and continued to go but he said he couldnt cure her but could help the condition to be under control. She wrote me a lovely thankyou letter. Think he helped her a lot. Least wasnt making false claims for money.

Finally, someone who seems to live in the real world:

There's a lot of dead wood in the pyschic schema. If they were so good why don't they ever win the lottery seven weeks in a line? or even once would convince me!

uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DQyfsCNFyRY