Mrs Reeves
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As a matter of fact, the world DOES revolve around Keanu Reeves!
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Post by Mrs Reeves on Feb 15, 2007 8:22:41 GMT
This is a serious question to all the sceptics out there - and I hope nobody's offended by the qeustion.
If you went to a spiritualist or medium (let's say doing some research for BP) and they gave you a totally accurate reading without any cold readings and told you something specific that only you would know ... would you change your views on mediumship or would you consider that they had a "lucky break" and continue to be sceptical of their "gifts".
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 15, 2007 10:06:35 GMT
This is a serious question to all the sceptics out there - and I hope nobody's offended by the qeustion. If you went to a spiritualist or medium (let's say doing some research for BP) and they gave you a totally accurate reading without any cold readings and told you something specific that only you would know ... would you change your views on mediumship or would you consider that they had a "lucky break" and continue to be sceptical of their "gifts". But thats the EXACT reason why I do go to mediums. For me the research or investigatory side comes second, I would much rather have proof of the afterlife than proof of a fraud. Whenever I leave a medium and they have just rattled off teh same old crap, I dont feel any joy at being proven right yet again, I feel sadness. As the owner of badpsychics the one thing i want more than anything else is to be proved wrong. I am DESPERATE to believe, BUT my education in this subject prevents me from getting conned, so the only way a psychic will convince me, is if they are real simple as that. Ask kendra if she saw any gloating or happiness on my face when I left her, I left after each reading with tears in my eyes of disapointment
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Post by lowrider on Feb 15, 2007 10:47:01 GMT
Good question. I am the same as many when it comes to readings. I have seen rubbish ones done my "mediums" within the church,they are sincere but it is obvious they are cold reading or just being general. Equally i have had very good accurate ones. Unfortunately the former out weigh the latter.
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mayhem
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"To speak without thinking is to shoot without aiming"
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Post by mayhem on Feb 15, 2007 17:14:04 GMT
Wow......well up until VERY recently I was a beleiver........I think if they were VERY specific then I would have to wonder (exact names etc.).
The first real "medium" I went to actually worked for the RCMP solving cases etc. She told me that my first husband would be gay and an alholoic- but we'd have 3 kids----needless to say I'm (so far!) married to the same man (I've known since I was 13) and neither of us drink at ALL! I also have 2 children with no way in hell of having a 3rd!
If I had a ton more money I would like to check more of them out and test this theroy, I'd love to know who's "talking" to me or leaving me signs since I hardly know anyone who's died -- even my nannie is alive and she's 91!
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Post by exile on Feb 15, 2007 17:20:09 GMT
Hey, Mayhem! You told us about all the things the medium got wrong but you didn't mention if the medium was right about him being 'gay'!
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Post by Me on Feb 15, 2007 17:56:39 GMT
This is a serious question to all the sceptics out there - and I hope nobody's offended by the qeustion. If you went to a spiritualist or medium (let's say doing some research for BP) and they gave you a totally accurate reading without any cold readings and told you something specific that only you would know ... would you change your views on mediumship or would you consider that they had a "lucky break" and continue to be sceptical of their "gifts". But thats the EXACT reason why I do go to mediums. For me the research or investigatory side comes second, I would much rather have proof of the afterlife than proof of a fraud. Whenever I leave a medium and they have just rattled off teh same old crap, I dont feel any joy at being proven right yet again, I feel sadness. As the owner of badpsychics the one thing i want more than anything else is to be proved wrong. I am DESPERATE to believe, BUT my education in this subject prevents me from getting conned, so the only way a psychic will convince me, is if they are real simple as that. Ask kendra if she saw any gloating or happiness on my face when I left her, I left after each reading with tears in my eyes of disapointment No thats right jon you didnt dismiss anything, or say you may have mentioned something to me months before that I suddenly remembered,or said a common name,or that I might have watched something on a history programme on the history of greece that subconciously was hidden away ...! No Jon you did none of that..! And Jon, I saw no damn tears! So please stop with that cos really pigging me off!
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 15, 2007 18:25:57 GMT
What are you on about Kendra? During the 3 readings you got sodall right.
If you are talking about "accidentally" calling me 'Yan' well you yourself said that you were not "tuning in" or doing anything psychic, it was just something you accidentally called me.
You have also called me a few other names by "accident" You called me Nick a few times.
Maybe we should start a new thread regarding this
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Post by sallyanne rose on Feb 15, 2007 21:18:53 GMT
i would love nothing more than to be convinced of an afterlife in whatever form it takes, its no fun not believing, death is nothing to look forward too, and there is no comfort for me in thinking my loved ones are all together in heaven - it would be lovely and comforting to be sure that i was going to one day be reunited with all the people i miss who have died but i feel in my heart and mind that this life is all there is, if someone could convince me otherwise, i think i would be eternally grateful but the more i find out the less likely that seems - depressing really, a bit like when you finally realize there is no father christmas:'(
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Post by Me on Feb 16, 2007 0:09:59 GMT
What are you on about Kendra? During the 3 readings you got sodall right. If you are talking about "accidentally" calling me 'Yan' well you yourself said that you were not "tuning in" or doing anything psychic, it was just something you accidentally called me. You have also called me a few other names by "accident" You called me Nick a few times. Maybe we should start a new thread regarding this Im not on about the bloody name.. And I call my husband Aidoan occasionally...
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 16, 2007 0:12:38 GMT
So are you saying that calling me that name was just pure coincdence then? So i can delete the other thread
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Post by Me on Feb 16, 2007 0:14:45 GMT
So are you saying that calling me that name was just pure coincdence then? So i can delete the other thread Arrrrggghhhh Yes Jon,out of every bloody name on this earth ,I called a greek bloke a swedish name and just per chance amazingly it bloody well is also greek!or rather is greek but I thought was a sedish name...oh whatever ::)Of course an accident/coincidence of course it is ..Good grief Im going to bed I cant cope,too tired...
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 16, 2007 0:18:34 GMT
Ok thank you!
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Post by ludwig on Feb 16, 2007 1:10:21 GMT
Personaly I would consider it to be a lucky break on their behalf. The whole idea that any living person has ever recieved a genuine message from a dead person is absurd.
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Post by Me on Feb 16, 2007 12:51:13 GMT
You missed the sarcasm huh?
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Post by Me on Feb 16, 2007 12:52:47 GMT
Personaly I would consider it to be a lucky break on their behalf. The whole idea that any living person has ever recieved a genuine message from a dead person is absurd. How many names have you heard over your lifetime so far,Hundreds,thousands? Whats the odds on you hitting target with 1 name from them thousands to the right person? Well if you find the whole thing absurd..why are you on sceptics forum?
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mayhem
Sperm
"To speak without thinking is to shoot without aiming"
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Post by mayhem on Feb 18, 2007 2:45:49 GMT
Hey, Mayhem!
You told us about all the things the medium got wrong but you didn't mention if the medium was right about him being 'gay'!
Nice Exile! LOL!
So far he's not.............but it's not like there aren't nights that I wish he was!
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Post by Little Claire on Feb 19, 2007 12:18:26 GMT
The thing is if you're a believer alot is based on gut instinct and you are therefore more likely to read things into readings because your are prediposed to believe.
I think it's very similar for sceptics. If you don't believe then you are more likely to pick holes in a reading and see flaws in the information given.
Very few people are truly open minded never mind ehat they claim. Most of us already have an idea of what we believe is true.
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Post by lowrider on Feb 19, 2007 17:13:16 GMT
Very few people are truly open minded never mind ehat they claim. Most of us already have an idea of what we believe is true. Very true
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Post by ludwig on Feb 19, 2007 21:39:08 GMT
Personaly I would consider it to be a lucky break on their behalf. The whole idea that any living person has ever recieved a genuine message from a dead person is absurd. How many names have you heard over your lifetime so far,Hundreds,thousands? Whats the odds on you hitting target with 1 name from them thousands to the right person? Well if you find the whole thing absurd..why are you on sceptics forum? Because it's my right to join any forum I choose sceptics or otherwise. I just question the idea that a dead person has the ability to talk to someone from beyond this world. Surely if it were possible someone would have been able to provide unquestionable proof. As usual no-one ever has, but we always have the claims by so called mediums that this is possible. Kendra I've read you arguments on this topic over many years but you still can not give us the evidence needed to back up your theories.
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Post by Me on Feb 19, 2007 23:01:21 GMT
Indeed it is...As you come across very much a cynic i was simply asking a question....that is all
But form what you worte earlier ,you certianly do not question it,your mind is already made up on the subject!
How would you know? Seriously, have you been witness to everyones personal readings?have you great insight to when meidums demonstrate to an udience the person they are giving the info to,you know more than them if the ifo is correct or not? Who is us? People I have read for on a normal basis would argue that point me thinks. And unless you were actually there as a witness to the reading and know yourself the personal information I passed on...you can only ever surmise.
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