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Post by Me on Mar 25, 2009 11:11:29 GMT
I dont think the programme will see Gary coming out of this as a fraudster,but certainly someone who is self deluded. What I found interesting is he is willing to accept that there can be other explantions other than that of a spirit guy called Abrham actually doing this supposed work, but the only other explanation he would it seems accept would still be that of a supernatural nature as opposed to Psychological/Scientific. Some may say this is because the guy is a fake and doesnt want people to realise that he is actually doing bog all to aid there conditions just simply triggering the body's own self healing mechanisms or kick starting a psychological affect to handle or accept the condition in a different way. Others may say that he is so deep into his own unrealism that he really cannot see any other explanation or be willing to accept any other explanation than that of supernatural!
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Post by Me on Mar 25, 2009 11:17:58 GMT
One thing I did note as being prominent, was the BBC use of showing lots of money and cash tills when it was discussing the psychic industry. I thought that was favourable to the sceptics. Yeah very much so, if these people have these wonderful powers why dont they help out people for free ? I really hate these Frauds if i was a cop i would arrest them all for obtaining money by deception The problem here is that if these powers really existed and they were to devote there time to healing,the healers themselves still need to live,to eat to survive to enable them to carry on there work. They may argue that as science/medical establishments do not accept there claims they have to earn money for the time they give up. In other words if science was able to prove/accept these abilities then they just as GPs etc would be able to claim a wage as such and provide there services for the NHS etc. There are so many arguments that can be put forward on both sides. I really think simply blasting these people with "There fakes" wont do a bit of good. Only by explaining to people why you think these are fakes or self deluded individuals will you get through to the people who do, or are likely to believe in these individuals and there supposed powers. If you say to a believer of a healer that he or she is a fake and that is it,you will time and gain come up against a brick wall. Not because you you are going against that healer,because you are going against that potential clients belief. That is where out and out sceptics run into brick walls in getting believers to understand where they are coming from.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Mar 25, 2009 11:40:22 GMT
I noticed at the time, but did Emeka call Patricia Robertson by the name Patricia Roy the first time round?
and yes was reminded by someone on spiritlove
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Post by Me on Mar 25, 2009 13:11:21 GMT
Probably posting this in the wrong place, but oh well. What on earth is he going on about blood pressure and a pinch of salt? Why would anyone with blood pressure want to affect even more the process of osmosis within their bodies? Salt at the end of the day is broken down by the body into its basic factors,Sodium Chloride whether this is chemically produced or naturally it still is used and applied by the body in exactly the same way!Salt dehydrates,and is very handy when the body needs to retain water as in H2o can be extracted from urine on its way through the system by the body applying deposits of sodium to attract the Hydrogen and oxygen particles the H2o seperates as such from the urea and voila we have a little more water in the body to use. But in excess too much salt dehydrates the arteries in exactly the same way.People with blood pressure already have issues with there arteries and viens that carry the blood supply with its nutrients etc to where its needed without restricting it even more by having lumps of sodium floating around,for gods sakes.
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Post by colzilla23 on Mar 25, 2009 13:59:29 GMT
Hey all my first post and i'm just one of what i'm sure is a plethora of new people joined up after the 'Carry On Pyschic' show last night.
I honestly can't see how he could have any followers left after last night's show. It was like those Secrets Of Magic shows where they show you how they saw the woman in half and then she magically put back together. Except magicians usually make it look somewhat believable.
Who would have known that the Bible was set in another planet and it's characters (or REAL people depending on your beliefs) spoke with perfect Jeeves and Wooster accents.
I now expect Bravo or another male orientated channel to air a special on Sam (or Amy Williams as she goes by in her modelling) called 'Confessions Of A Pole Dancing Pyschic'.
I thank this site for the work it does exposing shysters like this chap. If this place or even last night's show stops one person from even condiering using him or people like him then you all deserve a pat on the back.
Colin
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Post by terry on Mar 25, 2009 16:32:10 GMT
Of late I have been inundated with invitations to big MBS functions, info on many psychic courses being run, dates and times of demonstrations, Psychic artists, Trance mediums talking to aliens, the three mediums tour, not only in this country, in fact thousands of people prepared to participate in the belief that they are connecting with the "Paranormal" Gary Mannion is just one of many selling the same thing. A while back Jon mentioned that in a vote, on the subject that the sceptics would be greatly outnumbered. The believers will not be put off by the programme, they have already decided that the misses were a one off, something would have been gained from it, that is what they will say to themselves. Misguided they may be. It was interesting to me that when they tested two groups of people when afflicting pain, the ones watching a religious picture suffered less. The power of belief. Their belief comforts them. Unfortunately what was obvious was the financial gain. I mentioned this before. Ray brown had a brand new BMW on the drive and was taking flying lessons, this from an ex builder. Matthew manning, a healer that had been tested by scientists, last I heard his wife was seriously ill. Is it all mass delusion?
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Post by Amaris on Mar 25, 2009 16:47:23 GMT
I think Gary came across as, well I guess delusional would be the most PC I could get away with. I did like the end when confronted with proof his healing hadn't cured the gallstone you could almost see his mind frantically searching for an explanation under the guise of hearing it from Abraham and then the lady offered him ... do you think there may have been more than one...
The lady "cured" of her painful shoulder, that can be done with a massage technique, no spiritual intervention needed
The ending where the documentary maker said "it would take a lot to make the sceptics leave him alone" why should we? And finishing with the mushy "hope" speech
All in all a very soft approach but he did at least show the healings to be dodgy. Gary didn't look too happy at the final handshake.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Mar 25, 2009 16:52:44 GMT
Also did anyone see the closeup of the back of my head?!! It was during the skeptics in the pub bit, you could clearly see my beanie hat lol
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Post by terry on Mar 25, 2009 16:59:08 GMT
I am not psychic, how would I have known it was you, I did look out for you though, thought you might get a little mention. ;D
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Post by tomroberts on Mar 25, 2009 17:00:23 GMT
I think Gary came across as, well I guess delusional would be the most PC I could get away with. I did like the end when confronted with proof his healing hadn't cured the gallstone you could almost see his mind frantically searching for an explanation under the guise of hearing it from Abraham and then the lady offered him ... do you think there may have been more than one...
The lady "cured" of her painful shoulder, that can be done with a massage technique, no spiritual intervention needed
The ending where the documentary maker said "it would take a lot to make the sceptics leave him alone" why should we? And finishing with the mushy "hope" speech
All in all a very soft approach but he did at least show the healings to be dodgy. Gary didn't look too happy at the final handshake. Gary was really floundering when Emeka asked if Abraham knew the stone hadn't gone - and he let him off the hook - one of the weakest spots in the whole programme. I also noticed Gary's friend Mark when asked about treatment said, "It worked.... but it's still" and didn't finish the sentence. I'd love to know what he was going to say.
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Post by Amaris on Mar 25, 2009 17:00:38 GMT
Also did anyone see the closeup of the back of my head?!! It was during the skeptics in the pub bit, you could clearly see my beanie hat lol You'll have to remove your ....
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Post by farsideofthemoon on Mar 25, 2009 18:56:24 GMT
Comments from Gary's facebook.
From 'Liz':
'Sally'
'Maggie'
'Karen'
'Eileen'
'Tracy'
'Colin'
'Amy'
Predictably the believers don't want to face up to the fact their messiah is a very naughty boy.
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Post by mesmo on Mar 25, 2009 19:28:03 GMT
Loved the bit where ''Abraham' talks through Gary - sounded exactly the same as the old boy who is meant to possess Colin Fry!
IMO- total bollox!
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Post by Guthix on Mar 25, 2009 19:59:37 GMT
yep sure is aload of balls
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Post by Amaris on Mar 25, 2009 20:02:23 GMT
Was she watching the same documentary
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Post by Guthix on Mar 25, 2009 20:07:08 GMT
Was she watching the same documentary i dont think she was, he was caught out lol
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Post by julia on Mar 25, 2009 20:17:44 GMT
Still haven't seen the show yet - I don't even have a video, Tom! - but I'm concerned about the fact that we weren't given a chance to reply to Gary's claim that we would "harrass" his references. This has been dealt with at length on the Mannion site and Emeka completely ignored it. I believe the words "hate campaign" were also used - whether by Gary or Emeka I don't know, but if this is the case I think a complaint to OFCOM is called for.
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Post by Guthix on Mar 25, 2009 20:24:23 GMT
Still haven't seen the show yet - I don't even have a video, Tom! - but I'm concerned about the fact that we weren't given a chance to reply to Gary's claim that we would "harrass" his references. This has been dealt with at length on the Mannion site and Emeka completely ignored it. I believe the words "hate campaign" were also used - whether by Gary or Emeka I don't know, but if this is the case I think a complaint to OFCOM is called for. yeah those words were totally unfair to be called a hate campaign because its not what you lot do at badpsychics you just debunk those like gary who claim to be psychic.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Mar 25, 2009 20:32:19 GMT
Still haven't seen the show yet - I don't even have a video, Tom! - but I'm concerned about the fact that we weren't given a chance to reply to Gary's claim that we would "harrass" his references. This has been dealt with at length on the Mannion site and Emeka completely ignored it. I believe the words "hate campaign" were also used - whether by Gary or Emeka I don't know, but if this is the case I think a complaint to OFCOM is called for. Go watch it on the BBCi Player
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Mar 25, 2009 20:38:22 GMT
Did anyone spot the back of my head during the bit at SitP?
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