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Post by julia on Mar 24, 2009 23:52:29 GMT
I don't get BBC3, so until such time as I can view a recording could someone please tell me if the show mentioned:
Gary's two warnings from Trading Standards His unauthorised use of BrainGym His phoney medical references His claim that as a teenager he worked "one on one" with problem pupils AND found the time to "virtually run" two home improvement companies
Thanks!
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Post by tomroberts on Mar 25, 2009 0:18:55 GMT
I don't get BBC3, so until such time as I can view a recording could someone please tell me if the show mentioned: Gary's two warnings from Trading Standards His unauthorised use of BrainGym His phoney medical references His claim that as a teenager he worked "one on one" with problem pupils AND found the time to "virtually run" two home improvement companies Thanks! I have the prog recorded on 2 videos. Can send you one. The answers to your questions are all "NO".
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Post by Amaris on Mar 25, 2009 3:46:43 GMT
Just written a bloody long reply about this programme... quotes and thoughts, went to post and lost it!! How f**king annoying! Too tired now to re-type and very p*ssed off
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Post by tilly on Mar 25, 2009 8:44:39 GMT
Not a bad programme. Showed more balance than I expected.
Julia...they did mention the medical references but Gary refused to name them on camera.Said he would tell the interviewer in private but he never did.
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Post by Guthix on Mar 25, 2009 9:13:10 GMT
Not a bad programme. Showed more balance than I expected. Julia...they did mention the medical references but Gary refused to name them on camera.Said he would tell the interviewer in private but he never did. yep he totally avoided the question probably because he knew that the programme maker would check up on his claims and these people gary mentioned would probably say "Gary who ? Sorry never heard of gary mannion" Does anyone think this programme will boost his career or harm it though ? I for one think it wont boost it as the programme was very balanced, it showed him to be a deluded idiot and gary looked as though he didn't believe what he was saying, i can sort of tell that in people when there eyes look away for a split second.
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Post by The Legendary Barb on Mar 25, 2009 9:17:58 GMT
Fluffet funny, naughty girl Guthic watched the thread very good. I watched the show last night cannot say I was all that impressed with him, he came across to me as rather smarmy.Do not let us forget that this is an act and like all psychics/mediums he plays to his audience. Mind over matter I think plays a large part of his show,people have a little free time from pain so believe in him.They are clutching at straws,as most of us would if in constant pain .This is how he works and it is deplorable. For one so young he his a very talented con artist.
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Post by Me on Mar 25, 2009 9:21:28 GMT
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Post by Mr Jinx on Mar 25, 2009 9:22:09 GMT
So the Biblical Abraham comes from another planet. He's not talking about the biblical Abraham; any idiot can see he means Father Abraham-
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Post by Me on Mar 25, 2009 9:28:39 GMT
Bad psychics is mentioned on there,and he ha s a pop at BP this is around 34 mins.
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Post by Guthix on Mar 25, 2009 9:39:47 GMT
Bad psychics is mentioned on there,and he ha s a pop at BP this is around 34 mins. He has a pop at BP because we could damage his career and we dont leave him alone, if we left him alone he would get away with still having the claims on his website that he has cured cancer. where as we all saw in last night's show the treatment people were receiving was only false hope and the pain returned for that woman suffering from back pain.
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Post by Me on Mar 25, 2009 9:59:52 GMT
To be honest I personally think the people that go to see him would do far better at attending a pain management clinic. The relationship between pain and injury is still unclear and not proven 100% in various biomedical reports.
What Gary Minnion is doing here,or rather the results is simply a case of mind over matter,or in this case mind over pain. There is noted in many studies the connection to not just the physical injury but the psychological aspects of an individual has a huge amount to do with how they regard or react to pain. I personally agree with what was said regarding persons having faith being able to withstand or react less to pain. But to me this is not the point of having faith,it is the point of how having faith psychological affects an individuals reactions and perception.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Mar 25, 2009 10:08:07 GMT
Briefly mentioned 1 warning from TS about his claim to cure cancer. It was said very quickly by Emeka, and not followed up at all.
No mention of this.
They did mention this, however Mannion refused to name names, and blamed BadPsychics saying we would harrass them or something like that, said he would tell Emeka off camera, he did not.
Again no mention of this
All in all I thought it was a poor job my Emeka, way too much concentration on peoples feelings, and showing how much money Mannion earns, and any critical parts were very brief and easily forgotten.
Mannion can earn £2000 a week! thats over 100k a year!!
And me, well I am out of pocket for a trip to Leicester to be interviewed for a show that they dont even put me on.
Disgraceful.
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Post by Guthix on Mar 25, 2009 10:23:36 GMT
Time for plan b then jon lets show the public what the bbc didnt have the balls to show, Do you think it showed gary to be a fraud though jon ? when i watched it I thought it did, even my mum thought he was a bit nuts.
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Post by harry on Mar 25, 2009 10:37:19 GMT
After watching that, I wouldn't go near a 'psychic healer'. I think, as a whole, it portrayed Gary as a deluded fraud.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Mar 25, 2009 10:40:40 GMT
Time for plan b then jon lets show the public what the bbc didnt have the balls to show, Do you think it showed gary to be a fraud though jon ? when i watched it I thought it did, even my mum thought he was a bit nuts. I think the problem is that skeptics who watched will have seen him as a fraud and believers would have been sympathetic. And thats the problem. The documentary wasnt detailed enough and spent way too much time on Gary and his patients as opposed to examining his claims etc. Did the show prove him to be a fraud? no it did not, at most it showed him to be deluded and a bit weird. I am torn, the documentary was a piece of poor journalism, it simply wasnt very good. And I am not sure how i feel about it to be honest. They talk about BadPsychics and how we expose him and so on, but then they dont even have the balls to show my interview.
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Post by tomroberts on Mar 25, 2009 10:42:56 GMT
The programme was more entertainment/amusement than analysis. It did not touch the lies, evasions, inaccuracies that we all know regarding this fraudster. There was a lot of drift, and Emeka was half-hearted in his approach - nowhere near sufficiently challenging. I would have preferred more of a "Watchdog" approach.
Bring on Plan B, I say!
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Post by Guthix on Mar 25, 2009 10:59:06 GMT
Time for plan b then jon lets show the public what the bbc didnt have the balls to show, Do you think it showed gary to be a fraud though jon ? when i watched it I thought it did, even my mum thought he was a bit nuts. I think the problem is that skeptics who watched will have seen him as a fraud and believers would have been sympathetic. And thats the problem. The documentary wasnt detailed enough and spent way too much time on Gary and his patients as opposed to examining his claims etc. Did the show prove him to be a fraud? no it did not, at most it showed him to be deluded and a bit weird. I am torn, the documentary was a piece of poor journalism, it simply wasnt very good. And I am not sure how i feel about it to be honest. They talk about BadPsychics and how we expose him and so on, but then they dont even have the balls to show my interview. I have to admit I was puzzled why they allowed richard's piece about gary mannion being a fraud and why the bbc cut your interview out, surely what richard said could be considered as slander toward gary mannion. Anyway so far gary has not put a "as seen on tv" banner on his website so that shows he was not pleased with the way it came out aswell so maybe this is a win for us, my mum certainly saw through gary as nothing but a con man. I recken that if your interview is put up on the site along with more stuff on gary then it will show the people that he is a fake like we all know he is. if i was too do a documentry I would have done it rogue trader style to show people how its done with narration from that chris skeptic guy who did that baby mind reader tests, I would have spoken to james randi and backed up gary's claims with hard hitting medical evidence such as scans before and after on the people he was treating. but saying all this changes nothing I know that but i guess the bbc were playing it safe and trying to remain balanced as to not appear biast against frauds
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Post by harry on Mar 25, 2009 10:59:31 GMT
I don't know the full background and facts surrounding Gary, but even so, watching it from a neutral aspect I do think he came across as a bit pathetic and borderline fraudulent.
One thing I did note as being prominent, was the BBC use of showing lots of money and cash tills when it was discussing the psychic industry. I thought that was favourable to the sceptics.
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Post by Guthix on Mar 25, 2009 11:04:13 GMT
One thing I did note as being prominent, was the BBC use of showing lots of money and cash tills when it was discussing the psychic industry. I thought that was favourable to the sceptics. Yeah very much so, if these people have these wonderful powers why dont they help out people for free ? I really hate these Frauds if i was a cop i would arrest them all for obtaining money by deception
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Post by The Legendary Barb on Mar 25, 2009 11:07:05 GMT
A very positive outcome to this BBC show is all the members that are now posting and indeed passing on their opinions. Well done all.
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