bonzo2
Glint in fathers eye
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Post by bonzo2 on Jul 2, 2010 19:32:23 GMT
lol, so just ignore the points I made;)
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Post by traceyg on Jul 2, 2010 19:38:47 GMT
I'm getting the impression that bonzo2 is coming across rather arrogant.
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Post by thing on Jul 2, 2010 19:42:09 GMT
Or he could be a bored Jon.........
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Post by thing on Jul 2, 2010 19:43:09 GMT
lol, so just ignore the points I made;) Well you make a good point of ignoring everyone else's.....
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bonzo2
Glint in fathers eye
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Post by bonzo2 on Jul 2, 2010 20:16:52 GMT
Thats the point thing, you guys havnt made any lol! arrogant me lol no, very humble really but willing to defend my beliefs in the face of blind ignorance:P
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Post by traceyg on Jul 2, 2010 21:22:12 GMT
Thats the point thing, you guys havnt made any lol! arrogant me lol no, very humble really but willing to defend my beliefs in the face of blind ignorance:P Where on earth do you come up with the conclusion of blind ignorance? don't forget bonzo2 quite a few of us here have been down the road your on and deeply questioned it i'm afraid, so are you telling me that at nealy 41 years of age and believing in spiritualism for nearly 38 years that i'm ignorant? just because you believe what you believe and you have experienced certain things it doesn't necessary make it real does it? how do i know it's just in your imagination or do you actually see anything spiritual outside of the mind? infact i don't actually know anything about you apart from you coming on here and keep speaking about "your personal experiences" without no elaboration, so yes i am going to judge you and say your posts are rather arrogant and if that's wrong then i do apologise.
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Post by traceyg on Jul 2, 2010 21:29:30 GMT
Ameris prove conclusively that mediums dont link with dead people and pass on commmunications to the living. I know you cannot so your entire hypthosis is built on your opinion without a shred of evidence to back it up. I have had survival proved to me over and over again in churches and I know have my own communications/experiences. Everyone I know involved gets the prove they desire, so back to my point that the majority of the posters here are ignorant of the truth and expressing their opionions. The majority of the mediums I know serve for love and light anmd make no money at all. In fact they are out of pocket due to the distances they travel, so why would they do this to con people? We had all this with Joshua who was a member here a while ago, he did the same as you are doing now. Your experiences are your own so no one else can take that as a proof. It is not up to me to prove people can't talk to dead people. This will just go around in circles just as the threads with Joshua did.To be quite fair Amaris as it stands I have more respect for Joshua because at least he did explain his experiences even though as time went on and with rational replies we all gave him he didn't like it in the end and left, but he did give his time here and elaborated with detail which bonzo2 hasn't.
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bonzo2
Glint in fathers eye
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Post by bonzo2 on Jul 2, 2010 23:42:40 GMT
my experiences are both inside and outside of my mind and I dont crave or want your respect. I think its sad that you have been searching for 38 years tracey and end up here, what a bleak outcome:(
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Post by thing on Jul 3, 2010 0:00:55 GMT
You don't actually have any experiences do you Bonzo. You're just another attention seeking wannabee.
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Post by Amaris on Jul 3, 2010 0:58:43 GMT
We had all this with Joshua who was a member here a while ago, he did the same as you are doing now. Your experiences are your own so no one else can take that as a proof. It is not up to me to prove people can't talk to dead people. This will just go around in circles just as the threads with Joshua did. To be quite fair Amaris as it stands I have more respect for Joshua because at least he did explain his experiences even though as time went on and with rational replies we all gave him he didn't like it in the end and left, but he did give his time here and elaborated with detail which bonzo2 hasn't. I'm sure once bonzo gets into his stride he will be duplicating Joshua's views and the end result will be the same.
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Post by Amaris on Jul 3, 2010 0:58:50 GMT
Or he could be a bored Jon......... That did actually cross my mind today!! ;D
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Post by traceyg on Jul 3, 2010 7:23:15 GMT
my experiences are both inside and outside of my mind and I dont crave or want your respect. I think its sad that you have been searching for 38 years tracey and end up here, what a bleak outcome:( It's quite the opposite bonzo2 and i don't expect you to want my respect, that's says enough about you already to me, as for me ending up here it is people like you that my own journey ended up here because in all of my 38 years of experience i have never seen a shred of evidence or something that could be explained, i was deluding myself, so it's defernately not a bleak outcome for me i look at things in a more logical way now and not to live my life in hairy fairy land. So for you to come onto this forum bonzo2, what are you getting out of it? or is it just a merry go round for you because you are too close minded to see other explanations?
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bonzo2
Glint in fathers eye
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Post by bonzo2 on Jul 3, 2010 9:15:11 GMT
You have not brought up one alternative explaination so far lol! Tracey you have used this whole thread to attack me personally, tell me what you feel the alternatives are and I will debate them with you in a rational, logical manner. I am here to defend my beliefs Tracey from bigotry and untruths and its that simple.
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Post by traceyg on Jul 3, 2010 12:16:59 GMT
You have not brought up one alternative explaination so far lol! Tracey you have used this whole thread to attack me personally, tell me what you feel the alternatives are and I will debate them with you in a rational, logical manner. I am here to defend my beliefs Tracey from bigotry and untruths and its that simple. I haven't attacked you at all infact you have taken what i believe as too personal because it doesn't match your belief, i suggest you have a look around on bad psychics and read up alot of what's on here and as for bigotry and untruths - what are you talking about? When i was a believer a couple of years prior to where i am now i questioned for example - mediums talking to dead people especially ones in spiritualist churches, chakras, healing and so on and there is just too many flaws, contradictions, egos, alot of psychics in it for the money, never any tangible evidence. I was even at one time quite friendly with a lady who was head of my local spiritualist church, lovely woman but deluded, it's far too easy nowadays to pick up a tarot deck and a couple of months down the line start calling yourself a psychic, put an add in the paper and charge people for your readings. You say the people you know don't charge, well i find that hard to believe the bottom line is 99.9% of psychics are in it for the money and there belief comes second, they won't give you that impression but they do. I know i'm sounding harsh but i'm sick and tired of psychics offering courses on psychic workshops, selling tat on websites iv'e been to a few workshops, paid money and got absolutely nothing out of it, in hindsight i should of carried on developing my counselling skills with that money. If you want to believe what you believe and it makes you feel good and secure then good luck to you, but the lesson iv'e learned is i will not be that gullible to fall for it in the future and this didn't happen to me overnight it took a couple of years for me to get where i am now and i'm proud of it!
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bonzo2
Glint in fathers eye
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Post by bonzo2 on Jul 3, 2010 13:26:18 GMT
I agree with your comments on people who purely use props like tarot cards and like you say have only been involved for months they are giving the genuine spiritualist religion a bad name. That was my point in a previous post that spirit will not work with these people and they purely work on a pyschic vibration.
I can guarantee that the mediums who serve the churches I attend do not charge for their services and the majority do it to serve spirit.
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