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Post by asif86 on Mar 7, 2007 22:39:04 GMT
How I see spirit is like this: Most of them appear to me currently like an outline of white lightish mist and their bodily features are quite visible. But every now and then, I get shown a spirit person as clear as day, like I see any other person living here on the earth plane - in time, my guide assures me, that this will become the 'norm' of how they appear when coming in close around me in the future.
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Post by exile on Mar 7, 2007 23:44:52 GMT
Medication could be suppressing delusions. What medication? ? I am no expert but i am aware of the range of drugs that were used when i worked with delusional people,none of them would have been used to treat a chest infection. Unless you have experience in this field that comment is inane
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Post by exile on Mar 7, 2007 23:46:14 GMT
Thanks for your reply vix51, much appreciated, My mediumship is in no way in comparison to those who see things while on drugs. I don't make them tea or anything, they come and go as they please, all very friendly, although there is the occasional one that has a bit of an attitude problem lol, only because they haven't learn't to move on from how they passed from this world to the next. Going back to drugs, I can't speak for other mediums, but, whenever I've been on medicine for a chest infection....etc I see NOTHINNG, hear NOTHING - until I'm well again - the spirit world leave me well alone when I'm unwell, but I am still able to sense them when they are around but they are never as close. Dont mean to sound disrespectful but your comments above are an example of twisting something round to fit your belief. Medication could be suppressing delusions. I was thinking the same thing.
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Post by exile on Mar 8, 2007 0:49:00 GMT
People do not always fit neatly into the categories and many will have been given a different diagnoses from time to time. Reasons for this might be because:
• their symptoms tend to change over time. • they may have more than one condition at the same time. • their underlying condition is 'masked' by the use of street drugs or alcohol. • psychosis is an umbrella term for a group of conditions which are still being unravelled and different doctors may reach different opinions.
In general terms the signs and symptoms of psychosis are having hallucinations or delusions or certain types of abnormal behaviour.
Hallucinations mean that someone can hear their own thoughts as if they are coming from an external source, or can see, smell or taste things which appear to be real but are not experienced by other people.
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Post by lowrider on Mar 8, 2007 10:14:27 GMT
What medication? ? I am no expert but i am aware of the range of drugs that were used when i worked with delusional people,none of them would have been used to treat a chest infection. Unless you have experience in this field that comment is inane And your point? ? I am no expert but in 4 years of working with people who were prescribed drugs for psychological problems did i hear of antibiotics prescribed for such. Nope. Nor did i hear of anyone assuming that antibiotic could ease the problem or increase the problems. Once in four years and many patients did a drug have an improvement on the violent tendency's of a patient. A drug that was not designed for such. So i based my comments on practical day to day experience of observation of the patients as well as innumerable chats with doctors and other medical staff. Is that unreasonable. Would that give me a greater insight and knowledge of these drugs,their prescriptions and there effects,the effects of drugs regime changes that the observation of was part of my job and training. Practical experience not book learning Billie Joe. Your practical and experience is? ?? MesmoI did say "unless you have knowledge of this field it was inanae". A guess,an assumption. The same thing that this mediums was accused of to make there beliefs fit their world. Ditto
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Post by PILLSBURY on Mar 8, 2007 10:22:45 GMT
same old,same old, the skeptics immediately assume that people who claim to be mediums are mentally ill. Lets look at that word "ASSUME". You should never assume it makes an ASS out of U and ME. Sure use science,sure use rational debate and logic but claiming someone has a mental illness is below the belt.
Asif has answered every question asked of him. Is he telling the truth? I dont know but give him some credit for coming on here and facing the music.
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Post by lowrider on Mar 8, 2007 10:46:43 GMT
Well put Pills
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Post by asif86 on Mar 8, 2007 11:15:31 GMT
Thank you very much for your reply Pillsbury! Very well put.
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Post by PILLSBURY on Mar 8, 2007 12:19:16 GMT
No probs guys, I like a good tear up but not personal abuse. One question for both of you, I have told people on here of my personal weird experiences that I cannot give "normal" reasons for and suprisingly I stayed relatively calm during them. Have any of your experiences ever freaked you out?
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Post by exile on Mar 8, 2007 15:07:05 GMT
LR - Would you agree that depression is a mental illness?
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Post by exile on Mar 8, 2007 15:19:16 GMT
same old,same old, the skeptics immediately assume that people who claim to be mediums are mentally ill. Lets look at that word "ASSUME". You should never assume it makes an ASS out of U and ME. Sure use science,sure use rational debate and logic but claiming someone has a mental illness is below the belt. I am not assuming that he is 'mentally ill' at all! It is a possible explanation that the mind may be behind it and not communication from the spirit world. If that area has not been looked into and explored then what is wrong with asking about it? If you come into a skeptic forum and declare that the dead speak to you, then you are going to be asked questions. Or do you suggest we sit back and let him say what he has to say and give no reply??
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Post by lowrider on Mar 8, 2007 15:22:28 GMT
LR - Would you agree that depression is a mental illness? Too wide a question. Depression in MY experience can simply be a symptom. It also depends how you define depression. I say that simply as there is a wide range of scale and people often use the term incorrectly. For example post natal depression and manic are worlds apart in appearance,symptoms and treatment as well as dangers to the sufferer. Ditto someone who is a bit down due to a temp problem with career,family or loved ones. Every case is individual
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Post by lowrider on Mar 8, 2007 15:26:01 GMT
In reply to your post on coming on a sceptic site and being questioned. There are poles apart in questions and suggesting a mental illness without any qualifications or reason to go down that path. So often that is the stock retort to any medium claiming to hear spirit. It is one possibility but not the first that needs to be leaped on within the first few posts,unless said person doing the leaping has the background to make that diagnosis.
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Post by exile on Mar 8, 2007 15:33:18 GMT
LR - Would you agree that depression is a mental illness? Too wide a question. Depression in MY experience can simply be a symptom. It also depends how you define depression. I say that simply as there is a wide range of scale and people often use the term incorrectly. For example post natal depression and manic are worlds apart in appearance,symptoms and treatment as well as dangers to the sufferer. Ditto someone who is a bit down due to a temp problem with career,family or loved ones. Every case is individual Wouldn't you say then that mental illness is a broad term for a huge array of symptoms that people can have in many different forms?
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Post by exile on Mar 8, 2007 15:36:33 GMT
In reply to your post on coming on a sceptic site and being questioned. There are poles apart in questions and suggesting a mental illness without any qualifications or reason to go down that path. So often that is the stock retort to any medium claiming to hear spirit. It is one possibility but not the first that needs to be leaped on within the first few posts,unless said person doing the leaping has the background to make that diagnosis. I don't think any proof can be given on an internet forum of what qualifications or experience a person might have. It has very little importance in that respect. So any questions if not liked can be ignored, surely. You agree then that it is one possibility. So we should leave off bringing that question up until where in the discussion?
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Post by lowrider on Mar 8, 2007 15:54:23 GMT
I don't think any proof can be given on an internet forum of what qualifications or experience a person might have. It has very little importance in that respect. So any questions if not liked can be ignored, surely. It is very important,i place more emphasis on someone who it is apparent has some experience in a particular matter. When it comes to any matter that is a profession even more so. Not saying i would believe everything i see on here but the tone and content of posts are a clue. No, but to suggest without any real discussion a mental illness and a serious one,with all the stigma that society attaches to that,rightly or wrongly,is not something i feel is incorrect.
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Post by lowrider on Mar 8, 2007 15:58:09 GMT
Too wide a question. Depression in MY experience can simply be a symptom. It also depends how you define depression. I say that simply as there is a wide range of scale and people often use the term incorrectly. For example post natal depression and manic are worlds apart in appearance,symptoms and treatment as well as dangers to the sufferer. Ditto someone who is a bit down due to a temp problem with career,family or loved ones. Every case is individual Wouldn't you say then that mental illness is a broad term for a huge array of symptoms that people can have in many different forms? In a broad manner yes. But that would also depend on the person doing the diagnose. I have seen the same patient being overnight, due to a change in medical team, be re diagnosed with differing illness or severity of existing. Even to the level of their parole conditions being changed. Which was scary
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Post by exile on Mar 8, 2007 16:29:29 GMT
Wouldn't you say then that mental illness is a broad term for a huge array of symptoms that people can have in many different forms? In a broad manner yes. But that would also depend on the person doing the diagnose. I have seen the same patient being overnight, due to a change in medical team, be re diagnosed with differing illness or severity of existing. Even to the level of their parole conditions being changed. Which was scary I agree, something like that is scary. But we can take from that that even professionals can change their minds on a diagnosis.. and that in fact we know very little about the human mind and many different experts opinions would vary from case to case?
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Post by mesmo on Mar 8, 2007 17:37:36 GMT
Lets clear something up now - I (nor exile, I would say) is accusing anybody of being mentally ill. As it happens, I have had personal experience of the effects of drugs - in my case anti depressants. For many years I, from time to time, experienced what some would call paranormal visions/premonitions. Ocassional precognitive dreams and ''seeing'' figures in my room at night that dissappeared when I shouted out. I believe I once had a converstion with a ''ghost'' outside a church . When I was younger I saw and heard things in my house that were really creepy (ie no natural explanation). The thing is I am not claiming to be psychic because I believe these things are due to small abnormalities in the brain waves. Last year I was prescribed anti-depressants (reasons obvious - I have depression) - guess what - the wierd s**t in my life has ceased.
Thats my experience - it is not 'inane'' to speculate and ask questions, when you can relate your viewpoint to real occurrances.
Let's face it, seeing spirits and hearing voices should cause concern in any body and should not be accepted as a gift - there could be more down to earth reasons for them.
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Post by lowrider on Mar 8, 2007 19:53:20 GMT
No Mesmo you nor Exile did make those comments,Bone and vx51 did and i was responding to those comments. Exile then responded to my posts. My original point still stands. Some posters here jumped on the mental health illness horse and other mentioned antibiotics as a possible reason for the original posters mediumship. I simply pointed out that in my experience of the care of people with mental health problems i had never heard or seen this and that i thought the assumption of a mental illness was made without any knowledge of the subject. As you have pointed out,personal experience is useful but also subjective
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