i believe in messages from spirit, and if mental illness was the cause, wouldnt all people with this illness experience the same, plus how could they be so accurate with their messages
i believe in messages from spirit, and if mental illness was the cause, wouldnt all people with this illness experience the same, plus how could they be so accurate with their messages
Another reply well put. Thanks for taking the time to reply spacebunny
i believe in messages from spirit, and if mental illness was the cause, wouldnt all people with this illness experience the same, plus how could they be so accurate with their messages
Mental illness isn't a virus or a bug it is an illness that effects people in different ways mainly because all people are different. It's a huge subject. So huge that you just can't describe it in a few words.
No Mesmo you nor Exile did make those comments,Bone and vx51 did and i was responding to those comments. Exile then responded to my posts. My original point still stands. Some posters here jumped on the mental health illness horse and other mentioned antibiotics as a possible reason for the original posters mediumship. I simply pointed out that in my experience of the care of people with mental health problems i had never heard or seen this and that i thought the assumption of a mental illness was made without any knowledge of the subject. As you have pointed out,personal experience is useful but also subjective
No I didn't accuse anyone of anything ( as if I can accuse somebody of a mental illness, what a bizarre concept), I simply inquired if a neurological condition could be responsible..care to detract your statement and apologise LR?
And if asif86 is a medium, then asif86 please ask your spirits what I have in my pockets and I will be convinced..surely a simple exercise for them?
No Mesmo you nor Exile did make those comments,Bone and vx51 did and i was responding to those comments. Exile then responded to my posts. My original point still stands. Some posters here jumped on the mental health illness horse and other mentioned antibiotics as a possible reason for the original posters mediumship. I simply pointed out that in my experience of the care of people with mental health problems i had never heard or seen this and that i thought the assumption of a mental illness was made without any knowledge of the subject. As you have pointed out,personal experience is useful but also subjective
No I didn't accuse anyone of anything ( as if I can accuse somebody of a mental illness, what a bizarre concept), I simply inquired if a neurological condition could be responsible..care to detract your statement and apologise LR?
Nope i don't. Dress it any way you want,to ask if someone has a mental condition or neurological problem as a first thought is unnecessary. If however you have a degree in this field and some practicable experience of the causes and treatment of neurological conditions that gave you the insight to go down that route at such an early stage then of course i will apologise,once you offer my the qualifications you have,universities obtained at and years as a starter. If not,nope you were just being rude,so stick it were the sun don't shine,sunshine.
To get back to the point - asif, I may have missed it, but I don't think you answered my question - easy to miss in such a busy thread. Why do you think that spirits come specifically to you, and do not come to others, such as myself?
'All through this short life we give of ourselves, giving and giving and slowly diminishing. Leaving a mark that will gradually fade, ash in the breeze, snowballs in negative.'
Nope i don't. Dress it any way you want,to ask if someone has a mental condition or neurological problem as a first thought is unnecessary. If however you have a degree in this field and some practicable experience of the causes and treatment of neurological conditions that gave you the insight to go down that route at such an early stage then of course i will apologise,once you offer my the qualifications you have,universities obtained at and years as a starter. If not,nope you were just being rude,so stick it were the sun don't shine,sunshine.
I still want the apology for the accusation of the mental illness statement, in fact please can you define how I can actually accuse somebody of something that isn't a crime or a lifestyle choice? Wouldnt this by like accusing someone of being tall?.
If I follow your own reasoning, please can you provide your qualifications that you are in a position of recognized authority to presume that the situation described by asif86 is a result of the supernatural and not a neurological condition?
Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.
My mediumship is in no way in comparison to those who see things while on drugs. I don't make them tea or anything, they come and go as they please, all very friendly, although there is the occasional one that has a bit of an attitude problem lol, only because they haven't learn't to move on from how they passed from this world to the next. Going back to drugs, I can't speak for other mediums, but, whenever I've been on medicine for a chest infection....etc I see NOTHINNG, hear NOTHING - until I'm well again - the spirit world leave me well alone when I'm unwell, but I am still able to sense them when they are around but they are never as close.
Dont mean to sound disrespectful but your comments above are an example of twisting something round to fit your belief. Medication could be suppressing delusions.
Now I hate to rake it back up but lets just look at the last line of the quote, I could have just quoted that line but wanted to show it in context. That line is a statement that asif is delusional . Exile then said he agreed with that, so no Bone didnt say it you put a valid point about it being a possible explanation in some cases but its such an old chestnut that it frustrates me. We have had too many cases of personal abuse on here and to suggest someone is delusional is plain wrong. Lets keep the debate sensible.
Bone I have stated my position,put up or shut up. Simple as. I will apologise if you can show you have the training and experience that would allow you to assume a mental illness as a reason for the mediumship that was being discussed,as stated by the original poster. As to ......If I follow your own reasoning, please can you provide your qualifications that you are in a position of recognized authority to presume that the situation described by asif86 is a result of the supernatural and not a neurological condition? I didn't,i simply queried the logic of the assumption of a serious mental illness and queried the lack of qualifications. I also stated my experiences with people who had serious mental problems. If i have stated i have some recognized qualifications as you stated then please post a link. I await any qualifications you have. Not holding my breath on either
Bone I have stated my position,put up or shut up. Simple as. I will apologise if you can show you have the training and experience that would allow you to assume a mental illness as a reason for the mediumship that was being discussed,as stated by the original poster. As to ......If I follow your own reasoning, please can you provide your qualifications that you are in a position of recognized authority to presume that the situation described by asif86 is a result of the supernatural and not a neurological condition? I didn't,i simply queried the logic of the assumption of a serious mental illness and queried the lack of qualifications. I also stated my experiences with people who had serious mental problems. If i have stated i have some recognized qualifications as you stated then please post a link. I await any qualifications you have. Not holding my breath on either
I don't think you get this at all, do I have to have a degree in internal combustion engineering from an accredited university to be able to question someones driving skills? or if a screw on a wheel is on tight enough? But seeing as this irrelevance of qualification is so important to you..no I do not have a formal psychological qualification.
However, seeing as you are implying "training and experience"in a psychiatric capacity please answer this:
If asif was being interviewed by a psychiatrist and he told them exactly what he has posted, would the psychiatrist automatically assume he is in possession of some divine or supernatural gift or would he take the route of a possible neurological condition?
You are creating a straw-man argument.
So once again and for the last time I request that you apologize. (even Pilsbury has recognised that I have not accused asif of anything).
If asif was being interviewed by a psychiatrist and he told them exactly what he has posted, would the psychiatrist automatically assume he is in possession of some divine or supernatural gift or would he take the route of a possible neurological condition? That would be a differing matter,he or she would have the training and knowledge to make an assumption though i would hope any professional would not assume As to the apologies,you have answered your own question. I see no reason to apologize to you,you are merely labouring the point,that is the end of the matter. Go back over the posts and you will see i referred to you and VX51 in a general manner. Plus as far as i can see i never accused you of accusing,i used the term assumption several times,if i did use the term accused and i have missed it then it was used in error. That is one thing i would always be aware of having dealt with people with this problem,it is never their fault. If you wish to take it up with me via PM then fine. This thread is not about a battle between you and i other then our opinions on this subject. I think enough time has been wasted and the point of this forum is not to conduct personal battles.. That is my last word on that matter and i will mod this thread if need be. Again feel free to contact me via PM and if you can give me reason enough i will apologize via a new thread. Back on thread.
Good grief! I know I'm new in these parts, and don't have much karma to speak of, but can we all just calm down, please? (Don't smite me, I can't afford it)
'All through this short life we give of ourselves, giving and giving and slowly diminishing. Leaving a mark that will gradually fade, ash in the breeze, snowballs in negative.'
Dont mean to sound disrespectful but your comments above are an example of twisting something round to fit your belief. Medication could be suppressing delusions.
Now I hate to rake it back up but lets just look at the last line of the quote, I could have just quoted that line but wanted to show it in context. That line is a statement that asif is delusional . Exile then said he agreed with that, so no Bone didnt say it you put a valid point about it being a possible explanation in some cases but its such an old chestnut that it frustrates me. We have had too many cases of personal abuse on here and to suggest someone is delusional is plain wrong. Lets keep the debate sensible.
The last line - Medication could be suppressing delusions
It isn't a statement saying that asif is delusional! If it said "Medication is suppressing delusions". Then , I agree, it is wrong to say that. But it doesn't say that, it makes no assumptions, it is just an idea.
No Mesmo you nor Exile did make those comments,Bone and vx51 did and i was responding to those comments. Exile then responded to my posts. My original point still stands. Some posters here jumped on the mental health illness horse and other mentioned antibiotics as a possible reason for the original posters mediumship. I simply pointed out that in my experience of the care of people with mental health problems i had never heard or seen this and that i thought the assumption of a mental illness was made without any knowledge of the subject. As you have pointed out,personal experience is useful but also subjective
No I didn't accuse anyone of anything ( as if I can accuse somebody of a mental illness, what a bizarre concept), I simply inquired if a neurological condition could be responsible..care to detract your statement and apologise LR?
And if asif86 is a medium, then asif86 please ask your spirits what I have in my pockets and I will be convinced..surely a simple exercise for them?
I await your response.
Interestingly enough, I decided to ask my spirit friends your question, and this is purely what I was given, the word "Jewellery" and I'm shown gold, so now I'll leave it to you. That's all I get, if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I stand by what I believe in.
