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Post by davidhobbs on May 7, 2008 7:02:56 GMT
Yes Hay fever can be a bit tricky. What type of pills were they? I must have just been lucky with the treatment I had for my allergies. Hayfever or seasonal allergic rhinitis can be connected with asthma, eczema and certain food allergies and this can be hereditary. However, the hayfever can be triggered by different plants, so a homeopathy remedy would very much depend on which plants are causing it. Rape seed is one of the worst causes of hayfever in people that didn't suffer prior to the massive amounts now grown. When sensitive to pollen or spores, a sufferer's body will produce immunoglobulin because it believes the pollen/spores to be harmful, producing a chemical called histamine. It is the histamine that produces symptoms; watery eyes, sneezing, dry throat etc. Hence antihistmamines are recommended - to reduce the levels of histamine. Tips for hay fever sufferers: Avoid outdoors early morning and late afternoon (the two worst times of day for pollen being 'people level'. Wear sunglasses which curve around the eyes. Smear vaseline around eyes and nose (this can help to prevent pollen actually entering the nose/eyes as it tends to stick to it. Consult your GP to find out which treatment best suits you. DO NOT waste your money on homeopathy remedies. . Ah A doctor at last. May I ask you about the apparent complete cure of my skin disorder. No doubt you read about it in the above. You know your stuff. Sorry in a rush and just realised I may not have mentioned it. Back later.
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Post by fruitbat on May 7, 2008 7:17:57 GMT
David I am still confused over the B.S. ? Was it Brian Shepherd or Bull s*it?
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Post by hellyp on May 7, 2008 8:37:55 GMT
Well I have no experience of having been to a homoeopath, so I don;t know what questions are asked and why. I'm not sure I follow how shop bought pills mus be totally useless. Ah, so like a doctor. Hmm. My daughter has recently visited the doctor and is taking a course of antibiotics which is mass-produced and shop-bought. I'll just go and throw it out, shall I, or...? Are we talking all shop-bought medicines including prescription medicines or just off-the-shelf remedies? So OK hang on a minute. You go to a homoeopath and they ask you lots of questions. Based on these questions, they determine what treatment is required. Seems to me that what ends up being the treatment is the same for everyone - water with arguably an infinitessimal amount of active ingredient in it. Therefore there would seem to be no difference between shop-bought homoeopathic remedies and those concocted and diluted to feck by a person who asked you lots of questions. Apart, that is, from the fact that the homoeopath has shown a human interest in the patient and given of their time. Hmmmm. What did the machine do? Well I don't know what your skin disorder was. What I do know is that some, such as psoriasis, can in fact spontaneously disappear, and that some are worsened by stress and other factors. How long has it been since you suffered from your condition?
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Post by bobdezon on May 7, 2008 9:01:25 GMT
Homeopathy has 0 efficacy. It is water woo.
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Post by hellyp on May 7, 2008 9:11:58 GMT
Don't say that too near water. It will remember later on when you're having a swim and drown you.
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Post by Dippy on May 7, 2008 10:08:30 GMT
QUOTE hellyp:Hmm. My daughter has recently visited the doctor and is taking a course of antibiotics which is mass-produced and shop-bought. I'll just go and throw it out, shall I I wasn't aware that you could buy antibiotics over the counter from a shop/chemist. It has always been that way here in the UK. (Unless you are from another country.) hellyp maybe I am just confused and reading your sentence differently. Is the argument that shop bought (homeopathic medicines) are not as good as the ones a homeopath may give you and that mass produced are of no use? I do know that a lot of the tablets we do tend to buy like brand names are sometimes 10 times more the price than none branded ones but do the same trick. All I can say is I wouldn't take anything unless my doctor said to take it. The doc is always the first port of call and if his/her medicines are not working for the problem you go back again and try something else that is tried and tested, not go running off to some so called homeopathic person who claims their remedies work even though there is little evidence that they do.
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Post by hellyp on May 7, 2008 12:10:49 GMT
QUOTE hellyp:Hmm. My daughter has recently visited the doctor and is taking a course of antibiotics which is mass-produced and shop-bought. I'll just go and throw it out, shall I I live in the UK, and as far as I'm aware you can't buy antibiotics over the counter. You are prescribed them by a doctor, and you then pay for them. My point was really to do with the comment made that stuff not tailored to an individual's needs is useless. Antibiotics are not made for individuals, but are made to combat types of bacteria, whoever they may appear in. They are clearly not useless and therefore I would argue that one does not need to have a remedy uniquely crafted for oneself in order for it to be successful. Yes, I think that's the original argument. I probably confused it by my talk of antibiotics. Yep. They do. People, it seems, would rather take medicine from a recognised name. They contain active ingredients. Homoeopathic remedies at best contain traces of what once may have been an active ingredient, so I don't see the point in a consultation being preferable to just buying stuff from the shops, except that a homoeopath shows human interest to their client and spends time talking to them about their problem. I agree.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 7, 2008 12:46:56 GMT
David I am still confused over the B.S. ? Was it Brian Shepherd or Bull s*it? Sorry Fruitbat. I don't use the bull thing. It means Bad psychics. I am not up to speed with the terminology.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 7, 2008 12:55:25 GMT
So many questions.
I will wait for Moonriver as It will save a lot of typing, and moonriver is obviously a doctor.
That way I can answer the questions and you will have the answers.
Painting my house and getting rollocked for "playing on the computer" by her indoors.
I may need a doctor myself if I don't get on with the job.
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Post by fruitbat on May 7, 2008 13:02:32 GMT
[ Sorry Fruitbat. I don't use the bull thing. It means Bad psychics. I am not up to speed with the terminology. BP hun
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Post by davidhobbs on May 7, 2008 15:13:50 GMT
[ Sorry Fruitbat. I don't use the bull thing. It means Bad psychics. I am not up to speed with the terminology. BP hun OHHHHH dear What a doughnut I am.
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Post by fruitbat on May 7, 2008 15:21:52 GMT
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Post by steje73 on May 7, 2008 16:10:37 GMT
Hey davidhobbs, don't worry about it. Have a karma to cheer you up!
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Post by Dippy on May 7, 2008 16:51:33 GMT
Thanks hellyp, got what you mean now.
Your thoughts on homeopathic medicines seem to be the same as mine. I am so glad I am not alone lol.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 7, 2008 16:54:47 GMT
Hey davidhobbs, don't worry about it. Have a karma to cheer you up! Thank you for the karma. I must learn computer speak or I shall cause all kinds of confusion and be doughnuttier than ever, if that is at all possible. I will have a word with my granddaughter, and then you just watch me and my computer speak. Today Bad Psychics Tommorow..... Well I,m painting the house so the world will have to wait
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Post by steje73 on May 7, 2008 16:57:06 GMT
I can recognise a computer 2 out of 3 times. That's how computer literate I am.
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Post by davidhobbs on May 7, 2008 20:37:17 GMT
I can recognise a computer 2 out of 3 times. That's how computer literate I am. I have to be honest and say that sometimes I have trouble finding my own posts and I am thinking that people must think I am ignoring them. This site is a big one and I doubt that I have managed to see 10% of it yet. I started off hating it but came to realise that lots of points on here made a lot of sense. I am a total woo as you probably guessed so seeing things from the other point of view is really good. Now what the hell was I going to do?
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Post by davidhobbs on May 7, 2008 20:39:55 GMT
Oh yes
I was looking to chat too Moonriver
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Post by MoonRiver on May 7, 2008 23:34:14 GMT
So many questions. I will wait for Moonriver as It will save a lot of typing, and moonriver is obviously a doctor. That way I can answer the questions and you will have the answers. Sorry Davidhobbs, I am not a doctor (of anything), I work in a hospital pharmacy and have certain training and experience but I would never presume to diagnose a condition, I dont have the legally required qualifications. Either ask a pharmacist, call NHS Direct or see your GP. There is a protocol in place by the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain regarding the sale of 'P' medicines, whereby questions are asked in order to establish the best non-prescription medicine for the condition. There are three catagories of medicines in the UK licensed for sale by the British Medical Association: 1) POM (prescription only medicines) 2) P (can only be bought over the counter in a pharmacy , this requires counselling and a qualified pharmacist must be present when selling these) 3) GSL (general sales list - can be bought in supermarkets without counselling. However, they too are not without risk to certain people, for instance, generally speaking, asthmatics or people with stomach ulcers should not take aspirin.... and there are others). The above letters can be seen on the packets/bottles showing which catagory they belong to. Sometimes drugs are reclassified from POM to P, and can then be bought 'over the counter', or from P to GSL. The catagories are constantly monitored. However, I doubt that anitbiotics will ever be available without a prescription, the bacteria needs to be identified as different antibiotics target different bacteria. A piece of advice to those of you in the UK. Prescriptions are currently £7.10 per item (some items are a 'dual-drug' and can be double) so if you pay for your prescriptions, always ask the pharmacist if you can buy it 'over the counter' (P med). Most GPs have no idea of the cost of drugs and often prescribe ibuprofen 200mg, on prescription you would pay £7.10; over the counter 49p. Also, avoid brand names - it is the 'active ingredient' that does the job. Go for generic (non-brand names), the cost difference is phenominal. Oh and the Trust I work for DOES NOT use homeopathy!
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Post by Dippy on May 8, 2008 7:22:19 GMT
Thats just one of the staggering facts I saw on a programme on TV MoonRiver (Ibuprofen on script £7.10 and only 49p as a generic) so its always worth asking what else is available.
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