Gay rights under attack from the religious.

[bone]

Once again it appears that basic human rights are being attacked by the religiously afflicted...

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6243323.stm

"Christians...cannot and must not be forced to actively condone and promote sexual practices which the Bible teaches are wrong"

Thomas Cordrey
Lawyer's Christian Fellowship

I am disgusted that these people are attempting to interfere with other peoples private sexual lives based on a delusion or a myth. How far will these people sink...how long will normal rational people let them get away with this?

The bible also tells you to stone to death your offspring for being disobedient...the bible is hardly good example for a moralistic stance.

[lowrider]

Heard a debate on this today on R5.
Some very angry people.
My only thought is that any business has always had the right to refuse business if they wish.
I don't think that should be interfered with.

[bone]

I agree Lowrider, if you dont want to do business with someone thats your own opinion and perfectly understandable.

But,

To force the removal of rights by law based on a theological view point is very dangerous. The fact that this is even being debated reinforces my view that theistic meddling in politics and our basic rights needs to end..and end NOW.

[Meercat]

But the Government has always been very good a telling businesses what to do. Just look at the smoking ban in public houses. They have decided that they know best as far as our health goes, and regardless of peoples rights and freedom of choice have made it a 'law'. No doubt they will also decide what religious morals and principles we should have also.

[bone]

But the Government has always been very good a telling businesses what to do. Just look at the smoking ban in public houses. They have decided that they know best as far as our health goes, and regardless of peoples rights and freedom of choice have made it a 'law'. No doubt they will also decide what religious morals and principles we should have also.

But even though I'm a smoker, I know the facts about health and the damage smoking can do, we have proof , scientific studies, and independent evidence that smoking is harmful so a ban in areas where non -smokers will be placed at risk without their consent is a fairly rational judgement, based on the evidence.

But attempts to do the same based on unsubstantiated myth or blind belief is dangerous to the extreme, what next...the government considering the banning of lawn mowers on the belief that the fairy's at the bottom of your garden may be injured?

[Me]

Oh the christians they are a funny bunch, and so darn hypocritical too.....
The law being changed..not gonna happen. And rightfully so too!

Damn... trying to force the law and segregating a group of humans,making it illegal for them to express and love what they believe/feels is right to them....how utterly dispicable!

Can you imagine what damage and harm that would do if the world went crazy and these hypocrytical idiots got there way?
To be told it is so wrong,sinful,idiotic and so on to be different to the "norm"
If the idiots who are claiming this is all wrong are what society would term normal...I'm all for being different!

[monkeyboy]

when did this country start being run by an American Republican government?

[PILLSBURY]

I dont for one second, condone this action but does anyone know what islam says about gay rights?

[Me]

pillsbury0 said:

I dont for one second, condone this action but does anyone know what islam says about gay rights?

There not permissable I dont think..

[bone]

Gay rights and Islam are at total opposite poles, its not allowed under any circumstances, for example in Saudi you will be sentenced to death if found out..

[Meercat]

Im going off topic a bit here but I see what your saying on the smoking thing, but there have been no smoking pubs for a while now, nobody

forces

a non smoker to go to a smoking pub. The danger to health is far less than walking by the side of the road and inhaling fumes from vehicles. Ever spent the day walking round the centre of London and then wipe your face with a white tissue? youre inhaling that, and the government are placing no bans on vehicles.
If the big concern by the government on smoking, why is it still legal? They dont mind a few pubs closing down, but no way are they letting go of the tax from smokers. As for passive smoking, if its such a big killer as the Government keeps telling us it is, name me three people who have died from passive smoking.

[PILLSBURY]

Roy Castle, My mum and my uncle all died almost certainly as a result of passive smoking. Heres another thought for you, how much does smoking contribute towards global warming?

[bone]

You are right monster...forces is too strong a word..but what Im getting at is that it is sensible to ban smoking in public areas because not everyone smokes, the right to not passive smoke is upheld with all of the health benefits but also the right too smoke is still with us because a total ban on tobacco products hasnt happened ( ignoring the obvious tax revenue issues). Frankly I am not able to provide any evidence that passive smoking is a big a problem as suggested by the government..but I can still rationaly accept that it is probably a good thing to restrict areas where smoking is allowed for the good of the public health, and making smoking inconvienient may be the push some people need to quit which isnt a bad thing...including me

But the actual topic at hand ( religious encroachment on human rights possibly endorsed by the government) is another thing entirely..

[exile]

I agree with bone.

I've given up smoking now, thankfully. I hadn't been around a smoker for two months when I was visiting someone and they were smoking in their kitchen. It was SO STRONG! I don't know how non-smokers put up with my smoking. When you smoke you don't realise how bad it is, I didn't.

I think stopping people smoking in public places will help towards stopping people from starting in the future.

I don't believe any smoker hasn't thought of giving up. We only smoke to feel like a non-smoker after all. It's the deep breathing that calms us not the cig'.

(I'm feeling good 'cause I've been packed up over two months!! )

[Meercat]

sensible to ban smoking in public areas

I couldn't agree more Bone, public transport, Library's, planes, all of those.
But a pub (and forget the 'public house' bit for a minute) is not a public place, you are only allowed in them by implied invitation, the invitation can be withdrawn at anytime by the licensee. (e.g barring you, not allowing you in to start with)

If I owned a Free house pub, that would be my house. the Government will be telling me that I cannot smoke in my own property. Regardless on peoples views on the rights and wrongs of smoking, that is fundamentally wrong.

[monkeyboy]

hey kids, this is about religious fundies not smoking



just thought I'd remind you

[Meercat]

pillsbury0 said:

Roy Castle, My mum and my uncle all died almost certainly as a result of passive smoking. Heres another thought for you, how much does smoking contribute towards global warming?

Roy Castle died of lung cancer, he said it was because of working in clubs that had smokers. I cant comment on your relatives, but again, its only a guess that that was the cause. Why doesnt every smoker die of lung cancer? There are many many other environmental factors that contribute to lung disease, and Im certainly not saying that smoking isnt one of them, but it just seems that the Government is not looking at the others.
Oooh, dont get me started on that Global warming thing Pillsbury!!

[monkeyboy]

I give up

[Meercat]

monkeyboy said:

hey kids, this is about religious fundies not smoking



just thought I'd remind you

Yep that was my fault....
*tries to get it back on topic*

And I dont think Vicars should smoke either....

[monkeyboy]

now that's just cheeky!