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Post by Me on Jan 30, 2007 15:42:25 GMT
In my case I was indoctrinated with the usual C of E mumbo jumbo, but then again I always thought even as a kid how bizzare the whole idea was, I always considered it weird that people are happy to look forward to living forever in what is essentially a medieval idea of paradise, as to my young mind all of the art depiciting "heaven" is mainly of that age!! Nothing about it seemed to make sense ( any concept that raises more questions than it answers is seriously suspect) , and living forever was the icing on the cake for me..I really hated to think of having to do that! Gotcha... But what do you still percieve heaven to be? A place where people live on fluffy white clouds?A replica of our earth? That type of thing,what do you view heaven like? |
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Post by Me on Jan 30, 2007 15:44:54 GMT
Now I expect to be heavily ridiculed for my statement and fair enough if you want to , |
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Post by bone on Jan 30, 2007 15:48:21 GMT
Gotcha? lol dont tell me you write headlines for the Sun newspaper? ;D
Thats the thing, I dont think I personally have ever had a workable idea on what an afterlife would be like...so I just cant answer that question to your satisfaction. I understand the traditional descriptions of it, but in my mind I dont have a personal perspective or construct of what it means to me...that must be hard for a believer to understand?
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Post by Me on Jan 30, 2007 17:39:17 GMT
Gotcha? lol dont tell me you write headlines for the Sun newspaper? ;D Thats the thing, I dont think I personally have ever had a workable idea on what an afterlife would be like...so I just cant answer that question to your satisfaction. I understand the traditional descriptions of it, but in my mind I dont have a personal perspective or construct of what it means to me...that must be hard for a believer to understand? lol....sorry,all those years in advertising  ( Doesnt have to be a workable idea..just what was heaven discribed as to you when you were growing up.? |
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Post by exile on Jan 30, 2007 22:15:00 GMT
If we live forever then why do we reproduce? If you was to(excuse me whilst I say this dirty thing to you  ) Believe for just a moment that the afterlife did exist...just for a moment..That you believed it existed... what would your concept of heaven/the after life be like? Seriously just try it for a moment. .Because your preconceptions of the afterlife would have a profund affect on your perception of eternity there.. Sincerely I'm interested in your response. I was neither agreeing or disagreeing.  I was asking a question that I think makes the whole idea of an afterlife absurd. As much as I'd like there to be an afterlife, I can't believe why we would, for millions of years, have felt the need to evolve and strive to make sure our genes live on just to end up in some heaven like place when we die. I'm trying to see where the energy never ending fits into it. I suppose if there was a possibility of reincarnation that might explain the energy... I have no idea, but I do think things over. Please don't think that sceptics just disagree for the sake of it. |
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Post by Ess on Feb 1, 2007 2:27:54 GMT
If we live forever then why do we reproduce? If you was to(excuse me whilst I say this dirty thing to you ) Believe for just a moment that the afterlife did exist...just for a moment..That you believed it existed... what would your concept of heaven/the after life be like? Seriously just try it for a moment. .Because your preconceptions of the afterlife would have a profund affect on your perception of eternity there.. Sincerely I'm interested in your response. What would be the point  You are asking him to describe something he doesnt believe in - so how could he ? Its like : if there were Aliens what would they look like ? - simply an excercise in imagination |
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Post by Me on Feb 1, 2007 2:34:10 GMT
If you was to(excuse me whilst I say this dirty thing to you ) Believe for just a moment that the afterlife did exist...just for a moment..That you believed it existed... what would your concept of heaven/the after life be like? Seriously just try it for a moment. .Because your preconceptions of the afterlife would have a profund affect on your perception of eternity there.. Sincerely I'm interested in your response. What would be the point You are asking him to describe something he doesnt believe in - so how could he ? Its like : if there were Aliens what would they look like ? - simply an excercise in imagination Nope what i am really trying to do is to get people to understand what they view as heaven/afterlife eternity is based on what they have been taught within the society they have been brought up in..This doesnt then follow that it is how it actually is and there ocould be other possibilities. You dont have to believe in something to discribe it parrot style.But if that has been ingrained in your mind set this can affect your view as well as belief. |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 1, 2007 9:03:26 GMT
Ess is right, you are just asking us to excercise our imagination, whatever we say has no bearing on anything
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Post by PILLSBURY on Feb 1, 2007 12:32:32 GMT
Kendra, are you willing to state what you think the afterlife is like?
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Post by lowrider on Feb 1, 2007 13:01:45 GMT
Ess is right, you are just asking us to excercise our imagination, whatever we say has no bearing on anything So,is that any reason not to simply let your thoughts roam and think "what if". Often some good ideas and theories can crop up when such an exercise is done. |
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Post by bujin on Feb 2, 2007 10:42:18 GMT
Ess is right, you are just asking us to excercise our imagination, whatever we say has no bearing on anything So,is that any reason not to simply let your thoughts roam and think "what if". Often some good ideas and theories can crop up when such an exercise is done. The difference is that those ideas and theories can be tested and either verified or falsified. We can come up with an extremely fanciful idea of what the afterlife could be like (or indeed, we could come up with a painfully boring idea of what it is like just as easily), but as it can never be actually verified, it is a pointless exercise. |
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Post by lowrider on Feb 2, 2007 13:12:22 GMT
So,is that any reason not to simply let your thoughts roam and think "what if". Often some good ideas and theories can crop up when such an exercise is done. The difference is that those ideas and theories can be tested and either verified or falsified. We can come up with an extremely fanciful idea of what the afterlife could be like (or indeed, we could come up with a painfully boring idea of what it is like just as easily), but as it can never be actually verified, it is a pointless exercise. Then don't do it then. So why whinge about it.  Do you say you have NEVER day dreamed? |
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Post by bujin on Feb 2, 2007 13:48:47 GMT
Then don't do it then. So why whinge about it. Who's whinging? I'm just trying to see the point. What relevance does this have to the discussion? |
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Post by lowrider on Feb 2, 2007 14:25:53 GMT
Then don't do it then. So why whinge about it. Who's whinging? I'm just trying to see the point. Painfully boring and pointless Not a moan. So i say don't bother then. Up to you. Day dreaming,what is the point. Indulging in fits of fancy. Why? So why not have a muse on what the after life COULD be like. It is as harmless as day dreaming. If you don't want to then don't. But there is no point in continuing a debate. It will go no where except "yes it is no it ain't". |
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Post by Me on Feb 2, 2007 14:32:51 GMT
Ess is right, you are just asking us to excercise our imagination, whatever we say has no bearing on anything I am doing no such thing,to get you passed that block of actually typing something on the afterlife I say to make believe that you believe for a moment. What exactly have I been asking you guys to do throughout this bloody thread? ??  |
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Post by Me on Feb 2, 2007 14:37:43 GMT
Kendra, are you willing to state what you think the afterlife is like? Yup,no probs..but wouldn't it be nice just for bloody once if a sceptic could just put some damned effort into something regarding the afterlife etc and just for once not be on the bloody defensive and use the crap "But I don't believe so whats the point" The whole bloody point is(not having dig at you here I promise Pillsbury) Don't you think that if you was given some crap explanation in childhood etc on eternity and the afterlife,then comprehending eternity in the after life would have to have some kind of basis.And that bloody basis would be what you was taught as a child.. Its a very simple thing i am asking people to do...very easy.. Yet how many sceppies have actually done as I asked? Jesus H Christ. Well if sceptics attitudes are whats the point" we don't believe so its pointless" Don't frigging ask us to prove anything or try and explain why we believe etc to you..as it would be pointless. And dont start threads like eternity and the afterlife, or add comments ,ask believers questions on those threads of somethingy you supposedly dont bloody well believe in, or see as bloody well pointless!!!!! If you dont believe in it,have no basis of comparison for your disbelief then don't bloody well comment on it! Thats what I don't see the point in.......................... |
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Post by Me on Feb 2, 2007 14:39:03 GMT
Ess is right, you are just asking us to excercise our imagination, whatever we say has no bearing on anything So,is that any reason not to simply let your thoughts roam and think "what if". Often some good ideas and theories can crop up when such an exercise is done. Dont LR..they are so not gonna do this ..They dont want to,thats the damn truth of the matter |
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Post by Me on Feb 2, 2007 14:39:35 GMT
So,is that any reason not to simply let your thoughts roam and think "what if". Often some good ideas and theories can crop up when such an exercise is done. The difference is that those ideas and theories can be tested and either verified or falsified. We can come up with an extremely fanciful idea of what the afterlife could be like (or indeed, we could come up with a painfully boring idea of what it is like just as easily), but as it can never be actually verified, it is a pointless exercise. whatever |
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Post by Me on Feb 2, 2007 14:41:51 GMT
Then don't do it then. So why whinge about it. Who's whinging? I'm just trying to see the point. What relevance does this have to the discussion? The comment was about eternity in the afterlife.To make a comment either way you have to have some basis of what you think the afterlife is like,and to spend eternity there. So what is the basis your perception of heaven/afterlife is like. Its that bloody simple.....What is your view on heaven,or have you been taught heaven is like..... :-/Im bored of this now..  |
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Post by Me on Feb 2, 2007 14:44:09 GMT
Effort is so frigging one sided on this forum..Jesus H christ it drives me nuts. |
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