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Post by skywarp on Mar 9, 2007 16:17:30 GMT
What I have trouble understanding is why people should be offended at a disagreement with a world view or the way the universe was made? Would they be offended if the topic was economics or polictics? What a nice little cloak of protection religious opinion has eh? Essentially a belief in a god or gods is irrational based on what we know about how the real natural world actually works so Im sorry you are offended by the truth but thats not my problem its yours! Bone, Okay, I'm not religious in any way shape or form and I can't prove God does exist. You seem to believe in yourself that God doesn't exist and take some sort of pleasure in trampling over the beliefs of those that do. So, I'd like you to prove that God doesn't exist. Please back up with links to books, research papers, whatever sources you can to back up your statement. |
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Post by bone on Mar 9, 2007 16:30:54 GMT
Bone, Okay, I'm not religious in any way shape or form and I can't prove God does exist. You seem to believe in yourself that God doesn't exist and take some sort of pleasure in trampling over the beliefs of those that do. So, I'd like you to prove that God doesn't exist. Please back up with links to books, research papers, whatever sources you can to back up your statement. I will prove to you that god doesnt exist when you can explain to me how I can prove a negative. Im afraid the burden of proof is on the believer, I can no more prove god doesnt exist than I can prove faires or unicorns or any other supernatural being or beings don't exist. I would suggest that you make many assumptions in this post. Care to explain how I'm obtaining "pleasure in trampling over the beliefs" of others? |
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Post by skywarp on Mar 9, 2007 16:33:14 GMT
Essentially a belief in a god or gods is irrational based on what we know about how the real natural world actually works so Im sorry you are offended by the truth but thats not my problem its yours! That just about covers it I think |
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Post by bone on Mar 9, 2007 16:43:23 GMT
Essentially a belief in a god or gods is irrational based on what we know about how the real natural world actually works so Im sorry you are offended by the truth but thats not my problem its yours! That just about covers it I think Covers it in what way? If you want to point out the errors in that statement then Im happy to debate it with you and if I am wrong I will gladly admit it. |
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Post by skywarp on Mar 9, 2007 16:44:54 GMT
Well what I said was You were trampling over people's beliefs. What I quoted clearly showed you saying that people's beliefs in God was irrational, therefore trampling over their beliefs.
Rocket science, this is not
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Post by lowrider on Mar 9, 2007 16:57:09 GMT
At the end of the day a belief is that,a belief and often proof is not required.
That is personal to the believer and while i welcome robust debate can we be sure we keep it impersonal and respect others beliefs.
Nobody has to agree with them,just respect anyones rights to hold them.
Cheers.
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Post by bone on Mar 9, 2007 16:59:09 GMT
Well what I said was You were trampling over people's beliefs. What I quoted clearly showed you saying that people's beliefs in God was irrational, therefore trampling over their beliefs. Rocket science, this is not Hmm I still dont see how I "obtain pleasure" from your allegation of trampling over peoples belief? I dont trample over anything, I merely state my opinion, people are more than free to offer an alternative..its called debate. |
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Post by bone on Mar 9, 2007 17:00:30 GMT
Hear Hear.
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Post by skywarp on Mar 9, 2007 17:02:55 GMT
I can hardly see that calling someone's belief in God irrational as respecting their beliefs
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Post by lowrider on Mar 9, 2007 17:05:42 GMT
I can hardly see that calling someone's belief in God irrational as respecting their beliefs To someone who believes in evolution then God ,Adam and Eve etc,etc is irrational. In their opinion. |
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Post by bone on Mar 9, 2007 17:07:27 GMT
I can hardly see that calling someone's belief in God irrational as respecting their beliefs In *my* opinion a belief in the supernatural/god/gods/fairies is irrational and I stand by that, however you need to draw the distinction between respect of the belief and respect of the *right* to believe, which I think you are confusing and which LR covered in his post. |
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Post by skywarp on Mar 9, 2007 17:08:31 GMT
probably. But that's just how I roll
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Post by PILLSBURY on Mar 9, 2007 17:20:52 GMT
I dont believe in god or a supernatural god like entity but I believe in life after death. I do actually respect people with faith as I think they suffer such abuse for their beliefs that to hold on to them as a moral compass shows courage. However these idiots that immediately threaten people with hellfire and eternal damnation should learn that immediately attacking people for their beliefs is just plain wrong. Im not sure if I understand myself what I am saying but hey ho.
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Post by mesmo on Mar 9, 2007 21:39:35 GMT
Oh dear - seems I've started another thread on the existence of God. Why does someone who believes in God have to believe in Ghosts and fairies etc- that's barmy. It seems that the those who make such assumptions are those with less knowledge of the religion. Any Christians on this site are probably perplexed with some of the ''interpretations'' of their faith from those that dont have that faith - get my point.
I'm not offended by people who are agnostic or atheist - a lot of my friends and family are - doesn't bother me - it seems however that the atheists get quite agitated with people who have beliefs - why? Dont let it bother you.
I personally don't believe we can communicate with the dead, I don't believe in fairies, little green men, the Loch Ness Monster or even psychic healing - but I would never attack an individual for that belief - but I do question the claims of that belief. Likewise - I like to discuss theological subjects but cannot prove the existence of anything - its just a question of belief.
Oddly enough, I find myself agreeing with LR's sentiments on this one!
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Post by lowrider on Mar 10, 2007 13:36:58 GMT
Oddly enough, I find myself agreeing with LR's sentiments on this one!  |
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Post by PILLSBURY on Mar 10, 2007 22:12:14 GMT
I think I need to lie down in a dark room mesmo and LR agreeing, I must be hallucinating.
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Post by lowrider on Mar 11, 2007 11:27:55 GMT
I think I need to lie down in a dark room mesmo and LR agreeing, I must be hallucinating. Could be something do to with the recent moon eclipse. The planets are out of sync or something |
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Post by hellyp on Mar 11, 2007 18:21:17 GMT
Why does someone who believes in God have to believe in Ghosts and fairies etc- that's barmy. It seems that the those who make such assumptions are those with less knowledge of the religion. Any Christians on this site are probably perplexed with some of the ''interpretations'' of their faith from those that dont have that faith - get my point. The point behind my probably uninformed post was that God and ghosts are both supernatural beings, ie. beings for which we can find no scientific proof. How does one decide that, say, God is real but ghosts are not, or that ghosts are real but God is not? Many Christians will say that they don't believe in ghosts, as though belief in them is a preposterous idea, and yet others I know believe 'ghosts' to be demons. Nothing I say is ever intended to offend anyone, and if I have done, I apologise. I did claim that I have a problem understanding, not that anyone else has a problem. |
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Post by thursfield on Mar 11, 2007 22:24:10 GMT
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Post by lowrider on Mar 12, 2007 15:27:49 GMT
..hey, just chill and join me in a new absolut vodka ive found, grapefruit flavour, much better than debating at the moment..lol:P Yuk  |
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..hey, just chill and join me in a new absolut vodka ive found, grapefruit flavour, much better than debating at the moment..lol:P