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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 4, 2006 15:56:00 GMT
By Skeptomatic for www.badpsychics.com/auI watched the first episode of 'Tony Stockwell Psychic Detective' last week. Stockwell is another mega fraud who made me want to puke. Okay, so he gets told someone called 'Pat Andrews' is coming to see him. I don't know for sure, but I imagine the producers may also have told him that she wanted to know about the death of someone famous: whether it really was accidental death or... murder. Click Here To Read
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Post by lowrider on Nov 4, 2006 19:44:32 GMT
Thats a good article but as always there is the assumption that research is done and that is how prof is given. Now i am no fan of this medium but what do sceptics want?? If the info given is vague the medium is crap and cold reading. If he is accurate then research has been done. Viewing any medium from this angle is not a serious look at this programme or mediumship in general it is simply a smug confirmation of your own beliefs. I agree that research MAY have been done but if you are making that assumption then there must be an attempt to show some evidence that this has occurred. Or at least give background that offers concrete proof that this medium has been exposed doing the same thing in the past. It is all about building a catalog of evidence that will show that the balance of public opinion is the same as yours. As i have said with your view point whatever the medium does they are dammed in your eyes. So can you enlighting me,what would he have to do in a programme such as this to offer you proof. Why don't you write and ask if you could be an impartial observer for TS or some other medium show. Then you may have some chance of offering examples from personal observation or research of the cheating that goes on behind the scenes. But as i said a good article in as far as it goes.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 4, 2006 22:39:43 GMT
Well Stockwell could find say Jimmy Hoffa for a start, if he did that I would have to take him seriously
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Post by skeptomatic on Nov 5, 2006 0:35:09 GMT
Last night's show was him telling some woman whose father died on a fishing trawler that he did not go down with the ship but was picked up by a Russian submarine and taken to Siberia or somewhere. Gah.
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 5, 2006 0:40:38 GMT
does jimmy hoffa owe you any monet then Jon? I agree with LR. Mediums cant win. If we are good, then we cheated. If we are s**t then we cold read. badly.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 5, 2006 10:39:08 GMT
Last night's show was him telling some woman whose father died on a fishing trawler that he did not go down with the ship but was picked up by a Russian submarine and taken to Siberia or somewhere. Gah. I think thats the episode we exposed originally on BP!
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 5, 2006 10:40:27 GMT
does jimmy hoffa owe you any monet then Jon? I agree with LR. Mediums cant win. If we are good, then we cheated. If we are s**t then we cold read. badly. But how hard is it Adrian? Stockwell claims he is a psychic detective, so why cant he find anyone who has disappeared and who was famous. In fact why cant he find ANYONE, he has a 100% failure rate when it comes to these things, yet still he is about to co star in a new psychic detective type programme with the Trumpeteer COlin Fry You say mediums cant win, i say they can if they were real
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Post by lowrider on Nov 5, 2006 13:53:51 GMT
Last night's show was him telling some woman whose father died on a fishing trawler that he did not go down with the ship but was picked up by a Russian submarine and taken to Siberia or somewhere. Gah. I think thats the episode we exposed originally on BP! Yes i recall it well.
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Post by lowrider on Nov 5, 2006 13:59:59 GMT
You say mediums cant win, i say they can if they were real How?? Answer the question. If TS or anyone did as you asked would you not assume it was prior research from a huge team behind the scenes. You know you would. Sceptics want it both ways,as long as the world fits their view point they are happy. If it don't then change the subject and try to divert attention by attacking mediums.
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 5, 2006 15:46:07 GMT
yep, the coin is always a double headed one. I do remember the show when it was shown previously. I actually like TS. I have never sen him live, friends have and rated him over CF. They were doing the usual double act. As for his title psychic detective, its a name to give weight and intrigue to a programme. Would you watch it if it was called. mystery solving medium?
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 5, 2006 15:48:34 GMT
as for find someone famous, they are either propping up bridges, in a double grave, under a car parks. I dont think this would please any councils to dig places up.( unless its the M6) When people are hidden, they stay hidden.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Nov 5, 2006 15:55:58 GMT
You say mediums cant win, i say they can if they were real How?? Answer the question. If TS or anyone did as you asked would you not assume it was prior research from a huge team behind the scenes. You know you would. Sceptics want it both ways,as long as the world fits their view point they are happy. If it don't then change the subject and try to divert attention by attacking mediums. Hard but not impossible. Another get out clause Besides how do you know there is enough of Mr Teamster left to find?
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Post by whitewolf on Nov 6, 2006 13:36:41 GMT
if the person that finds him, didnt put him there???
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Post by cb on Nov 25, 2006 13:14:28 GMT
This evening's edition in Australia was about the Hannah Tailford murder. She was one of London's Jack the Stripper victims in the 1960s. It actually was more a sort of Who Do You Think You Are? type of programme with Tony Stockwell getting most of the info from newpaper cuttings and the inquest report, but interesting none the less.
However, I did google Hannah Tailford after the programme and there is a fascinating story there which was not mentioned at all. Apparently, far from being a simple jobbing prostitute, it was rumoured that she was peripherally implicated in the Profumo Affair, and perhaps more interestingly there was a strong rumour that Jack the Stripper was in fact the boxer Freddie Mills, who was of course himself gunned down in his car.
To me this is all fascinating stuff and I am sorry to understand TSs programme has been axed.
Also, thanks for your warm welcome to the boards.
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Post by skeptomatic on Nov 26, 2006 0:17:17 GMT
Hey CB - nice to meet you. Interesting stuff. I also noted how Tony got the only useful information about Hannah Tailford from publicly available archives.
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Post by hotchic on Dec 13, 2006 21:07:29 GMT
Jon...as well as being a Higgite, I am a Tony Stockwell fan too. Can I just ask, apart from Kendra, who has read for you mediumistically, not psychically, face to face.
There is always doubt when you see the tv, and going through your websites, I totally understand the sceptic's point of view. However, information Mr Stockwell gave me was incredible, and he is a great guy to know.
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Post by skeptomatic on Dec 13, 2006 22:39:02 GMT
Rather you than me! Welcome to the forum. Please do some research on 'cold-reading'. What Tony Stockwell does is run-of-the-mill chicanery, with a little bit of prior knowledge thrown in. Have you got a tape of what he told you? Would love to hear it/read the transcription. Then we could analyse it and show you how he managed to give you 'amazing' information.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Dec 13, 2006 22:43:23 GMT
Yeah Tony is just a cold reader, although there is no shame in getting conned by him, he is quite good and obviously you are no expert in the truicks these people use
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Post by pcdunn2005 on Dec 14, 2006 5:40:48 GMT
Jon...as well as being a Higgite, I am a Tony Stockwell fan too. Can I just ask, apart from Kendra, who has read for you mediumistically, not psychically, face to face. There is always doubt when you see the tv, and going through your websites, I totally understand the sceptic's point of view. However, information Mr Stockwell gave me was incredible, and he is a great guy to know. Did Mr. Stockwell "give" you the information without you saying anything? Or did he fish for it with questions, throw out vague things that he either dropped or played up depending on your responses (be they verbal or nonverbal)? There are ways to do this sort of thing, and many people are very good at it... Unfortunately.
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Post by hotchic on Dec 14, 2006 21:00:26 GMT
I have to say, you have all opened my eyes to a lot of of crap that is out there. However, Tony was not meant to read for me...Tracy was, however she was held up in traffic. He said I could either rebook, or he would do the reading for me, so I took that offer.
No it was not taped.
I was very conscience and always have been, of what information you should give to a medium. This was the 2nd time I had met Tony, the first being on one of his day seminars, where I just about said hello, as there were 80 other people there.
He did not ask any questions of me. He told me somethings that were very correct, and some that were wrong, but he was quite happy that he was wrong. He did not in anyway tell me to look out for stuff, and he did not give any predictions.
At the end he asked me if there was anyone I wanted to hear from that had not come through. I said yes. He then asked me for their Christian name only.
I told him. I then sat there and listened to him describe, when and how this person died, as it was in quite strange circumstances that he would not have known. He then told me how old this person was, and described how he looked.
I promise the only thing I gave him was the first name. He could not have known details of his death as he did.
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