Ghost Hunters - deceived - 2008

[Rocktron]

Moss Beach Distillery Part 1:



They tried... Come on ffs how obvious is this?
The most easiest debunking ever.

/me feels sick bbl.

[O.M.S.]

Damn... The chandeliers were an interesting concept, but the mirror and trigger switch...!? How ANYONE could have been fooled by them is just insane!

Still, at least they went and found that stuff rather than do a Most Haunted and just take it all at face value.

[O.M.S.]

And sucks to the 'TAPS Family Members' who believed all that rubbish!

[bobdezon]

WTF was that all about?

[antmania]

This was a typical case of a restaurant/hotel trying to cash in through exposure.........or the more cynical part of me thinks this was deliberately set up by ghost hunters to make them appear more credible.

[Deleted]

The fact is though people do this sort of crap all the time, by them airing the programme it might make their viewers think twice about things they come across.

[redbaron]

I do recall that in an interview they have mentioned people faking stuff like putting loudspeakers inside walls etc.

[tilly]

Jun 7, 2008 8:46:59 GMT antmania said:

This was a typical case of a restaurant/hotel trying to cash in through exposure.........or the more cynical part of me thinks this was deliberately set up by ghost hunters to make them appear more credible.

I am cynical as well.
Its a good trick as will make people believe they are genuine in all their investigations.

Not of course saying they are not but I like to explore every avenue.

[O.M.S.]

It just puts that little bit more credibility onto the stuff they do capture.

[bobdezon]

Ghost Hunters have not produced one single credible "capture" so far. They cannot find an explanation so declare it "haunted". They do this not for fame or fortune, but rather the "help the families"

As an entertaining program its very good, but nobody should take their "evidences" as any form of proof of the paranormal. When they start publishing their findings in reputable peer reviewed publications I will take them more seriously.

[conbott]

i've got to say at least ghosthunters are more scientific. i'd rather they debunk everythiing than make it up. the problem is, normally, as soon as there's too much fame and demand things started changing and not for the better. i don't want screams and "possessions". we need hard evidence one way or the other.

[bobdezon]

What makes GH scientific? Using scientific equipment not designed to detect ghosts, does not make them scientific. They do not submit their findings to peer reviewed publications either, so why are they scientific?

[conbott]

is some of the equipment that TAPS or any other ghosthunting group use specifically for detecting ghosts, spiritual energy, etc? i just wondered because a lot of their gadgets are initially designed for other purposes. to me the basic camcorder or digital tape recorder, for eg, is not that much different.

[bobdezon]

EMF meters are designed to detect electromagnetic pollution. Not Ghosts.
Dictaphones are designed to record Vocals and Sounds. Not Ghosts.
Cameras are designed to take images, or record Footage. Not Ghosts.

There is no equipment specifically designed to dectect, record, or interact with ghosts. To make such a piece of equipment, one would have to understand what a ghost actually was. What parameters it operated under. What were its ranges adnd limitations. Nobody has even been able to establish a ghost exists, so how would you design equipment for that?

[O.M.S.]

Yeah, no piece of equipment has EVER been designed specifically for the purpose of measuring a 'ghost'. However, there is equipment out there that can be used to measure natural factors that can falsely attribute the 'feeling' of a haunting.

[bobdezon]

I am also sceptical of that claim to a degree. EMF's have been claimed to affect the frontal lobes and produce paranoia, feelings of being watched etc. This is mostly due to the work done my Persinger. However Persinger uses modulated EM fields in a lab, and those are applied using a special helmet which specifically targets those areas of the brain. For this to occur naturally, and at a noticable field strength for it to be effective, is highly unlikely. I doubt a hand held tri-field meter could detect those particular effects anyway.

[conbott]

companies are charging a small fortune for this type of equipment. but i've heard several detailed explanations of what a ghost is. i'm mean people who have studied the phenomena for years. surely they must have some idea or do you think it's just their own opinions?

[O.M.S.]

It's just opinion. If it were fact then a) why do all explanations differ in some way in either minor or major details and b) why why are these 'facts' not held in high regard with all members of the community or within any scientific parameters?

There's some people who've studied the field for ages who still think that orbs are a paranormal phenomenan.

[conbott]

i think opinions count for a lot. several different opinions can each hold a shred of truth but because it hasn't been definitively proven no one really knows. TAPS and any other ghosthunters need to remain scientific, open minded and professional. to me that's how you'll get the best results in the long run.

[aelwyn]

Great video. I like that TAPS try to "recreate" experiences, but I agree---just because they can't, doesn't mean it's necessarily paranormal.