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Post by tigerlilywhite on Jul 18, 2009 18:55:33 GMT
*Tsk* there's always someone ready to poo poo what could have been the most plausible explaination! lol Kidding.  Hmmmm so if that's ruled out what else could it be me thinks?  I know the brain is easily tricked and unless proven otherwise I just think it's our senses being tricked into thinking we're seeing/hearing/feeling stuff that doesn't really exist. |
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Post by bobdezon on Jul 18, 2009 19:00:45 GMT
I personally think that "ghosts" whatever they may be, are an internal reflection of mundane experiences being interpreted incorrectly by the brain. It is the only logical conclusion, because there is zero external evidence that they exist externally to the person reporting the phenomena. I have been looking for one for 28 years, and cannot honestly say I have seen one. (weird crap sure, but to call it paranormal? not on my watch)  |
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Post by tigerlilywhite on Jul 18, 2009 19:13:50 GMT
I once had an experience which I thought was "ghostly". Then I remembered I was extremely strong painkillers and I was probably hallucinating the whole ghastly experience!  |
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Post by onewingedangel on Jul 29, 2009 8:38:47 GMT
I have to admit that TAPS have, in the passed, come up with a couple of unexplainable EVPs which were interesting.
They do better than most paranormal investigation programs and I like the way they debunk things.
However, I have noticed they do rely on the K11 meter too much
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Post by antmania on Jul 29, 2009 9:01:03 GMT
They are also no different to Karl and Yvette in that this whole exercise was designed to make them rich
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Post by romany on Jul 29, 2009 9:04:25 GMT
I can't understand why (it seems) people are prepared to give TAPS more credit for authenticity than MH. It seems to me that they are no better and no more credible - they just go about it diferently.
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Post by fluffet on Jul 29, 2009 17:55:45 GMT
I think its all down to the "presentation"....general joes watching take prompts from the way TAPS members throw in the odd bit of vaguely rational thinking here and there and of course their refusal to use a medium also adds to that air of "we is serious investimigators".Whereas MH now rarely offer anything in the way of alternative explainations for what they show bar Ciarons token contribution which is now so toothless its like a gentle gumming of the evidence rather than a sharp witted razor analysis.
Of course theres little in the way of difference between MH and TAPS in the broader sense.
Same choice of locations which have more info and researchable hits out there on them than if you googled Micheal Jackson.
Same un usable evidence which is offered to us on the proviso that we trust them not to have tampered or faked it but with no other back up than that.
Same lure of money making increasingly becoming more and more apparent .
Same reliance on gadgets .
Same obsession with listening to creaks and taps then declaring them "communication" when for all we know they have a stooge in clogs just off camera .
Same obsession with passing off thermal images as possible proof of paranormal activity when we have no idea whether "that hot spot on the kids bed/chair/table" is nothing more than the imprint of one of the willing crews bum cheeks placed there seconds before.
TAPS do far more EVP than MH mind you but ive lost count of the times ive strained to make any sense of the sounds only to be TOLD what its saying by one of them and of course then your mind thinks that IS whats being said despite being non the wiser seconds earlier.Although there have been occasions when ive thought some were clear once again how do we know it wasnt one of the crew doing their best "demonic voice" impression .
It all relies on you trusting the crew and cast....all of it... because so far there hasnt been in either show one bit of video that shows something being moved from start to finish with the camera on it that could discount thier mucky paws being involved, there hasnt been one clear shot of an apparition , there hasnt been one EVP that has said "hi im Jim McSpook and i was born in 1934 died in 1960 and your middle name is muriel and you have a tattoo of a tweety pie in your left buttock"....its all "get out " or "leave this place " etc etc .
TAPS kill me though with their ever so spontaneous yet so obviously scripted discussions and set pieces passed off as if they just wandered in and started a convo with each other ...you know what i mean the whole "Oh listen to this , i think i have something here on the audio Tango " when they do the evidence bit after and "Sweet ...i can be there in ten " when they do the opening gambit usually involving Jason and Grant in some poor buggers house whose bog they are supposed to be unblocking or some such.
MH may come across as slightly less scripted but thats a con in itself , they have a general idea of what they want to bring up and when they will comment or introduce a segment of seance etc they just do it in a slightly less wooden and convoluted way as TAPS do ....i could gut myself laughing sometimes at the ever so sincere manly bonding scenes Jason and Grant throw in to increase the "guy next door" straight up and down the line factor ....its hysterically funny and i await the first wedgy or discussion about who is more blue collar americana salt of the earth .
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Post by tigerlilywhite on Aug 1, 2009 23:32:10 GMT
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Post by The Legendary Barb on Aug 2, 2009 9:09:31 GMT
Nice one. Tigerlily.
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Post by onewingedangel on Aug 4, 2009 11:00:19 GMT
Yes I have seen that show. The ceiling lights were activated by small pnuematic pumps. This show is the fakest ever, and not because of the theatrical ghost house props. Before TAPS investigated this property, Jason? states that the place had been checked out and recommended by another TAPS family member group who had previously inestigated the property. If the ghost apparatus was so blatantly obvious to TAPS, then why did it ellude the previous investigating group? I posit that it did not, and TAPS used this as merely an excuse to show "how good they are at debunking". It is an obvious red herring tactic to deflect fair criticism of their methods. Just want to point out that being a TAPS family member doesn't mean you are part of TAPS. Just means the group does things by the 'TAPS' book of rules and have passed their tick list. |
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Post by onewingedangel on Aug 4, 2009 11:03:07 GMT
Jesus, have you found my cat!!! My poor pussy died in 1999, I have been searching for his spirit ever since. Turns out he prefers to haunt the neighbors dog grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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Post by bobdezon on Aug 4, 2009 20:33:28 GMT
Just want to point out that being a TAPS family member doesn't mean you are part of TAPS. Just means the group does things by the 'TAPS' book of rules and have passed their tick list. I understand it is an affiliation program designed to increase the popularity of TAPS, and that TAPS does not actually train the groups. My original observation stands however, because there is no way TAPS/SciFi would go to the great expense of transferring all crew and equipment to any site if it had not been thoroughly vetted previously for suitability. It would not make economic sense to do so. The fake ghost equipment was incredibly inept, and so badly disguised a child could spot it. |
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Post by onewingedangel on Aug 5, 2009 11:06:51 GMT
Just want to point out that being a TAPS family member doesn't mean you are part of TAPS. Just means the group does things by the 'TAPS' book of rules and have passed their tick list. I understand it is an affiliation program designed to increase the popularity of TAPS, and that TAPS does not actually train the groups. My original observation stands however, because there is no way TAPS/SciFi would go to the great expense of transferring all crew and equipment to any site if it had not been thoroughly vetted previously for suitability. It would not make economic sense to do so. The fake ghost equipment was incredibly inept, and so badly disguised a child could spot it. I took a look at the taps forum, after this thread and saw that a lot of it's members (including mods) feel that TAPS family members aren't the best option, if you were to choose a PNIG. It looks like the TAPS name isn't worth much tbh |
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Post by bobdezon on Aug 6, 2009 1:18:38 GMT
I took a look at the taps forum, after this thread and saw that a lot of it's members (including mods) feel that TAPS family members aren't the best option, if you were to choose a PNIG. It looks like the TAPS name isn't worth much tbh What was it ever "worth"? They are an entertainment act. They entertain, they are not scientists, or authorities on the paranormal. I mean how could they be? They are using equipment not designed to detect ghosts, and if they cannot explain a phenomena, they declare it haunted. That is not science, or education, that is entertainment. |
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Post by onewingedangel on Aug 6, 2009 7:09:19 GMT
I'm just saying from a point of someone who was wanting to get a PNIG in.
What equipment is there that is made purely for detecting ghosts??
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Post by morganp on Aug 6, 2009 8:19:34 GMT
What equipment is there that is made purely for detecting ghosts?? ONEWINGEDANGEL
Probably the same equipment that will detect Unicorns, The tooth fairy and Gods undying love.
Until we prove that ghosts exist and determine their physical make up we won't be in a position to design equipment that can detect them.
morganp
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Post by bobdezon on Aug 6, 2009 11:46:37 GMT
I'm just saying from a point of someone who was wanting to get a PNIG in. I'm afraid I do not know what a "PNIG" is. To make equipment that is designed soley to detect ghosts, one would first have to establish that ghosts exist. Then they would have to establish what they are comprised of. Then a device could be designed to detect that "emission". Unfortunately, ghosthunters only seemed to be interested in the reaction of a device in an allegedly haunted area, and then incorrectly use that reaction to claim that there is a ghost present. This is called confirmation bias, and is a logical fallacy. It basically means that if you want and expect to find a "ghost", then you will convince yourself that you have. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_biasI have been interested in paranormal phenomena for a very long time indeed, and I can honestly say that although I have seen many unusual things, I have yet to see a ghost. If they are real and do exist, then the phenomena is very, very rare indeed. Most of what we experience as humans can be explained by the very fact that we are just human. Bias, misconceptions, fuzzy thinking, and inexperience with natural phenomena all play a large part in making our experience seem unique and real. It is hard to convince someone that what they claim to have seen, was not and could not be real. Once that person receives an adequate level of accurate and factual information they are better equipped to make an informed decision. If however they have been emphatically shown by factual evidence that they are incorrect, and they still refuse to accept that fact, then they are deceiving themselves on purpose, for the comforting illusion of magic. |
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Post by onewingedangel on Aug 6, 2009 14:35:38 GMT
PNIG - Paranormal Investigation Group
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Hmmmm so if that's ruled out what else could it be me thinks? 
I know the brain is easily tricked and unless proven otherwise I just think it's our senses being tricked into thinking we're seeing/hearing/feeling stuff that doesn't really exist.
