Ghost Hunters - deceived - 2008

[bobdezon]

Jun 10, 2008 17:07:55 GMT conbott said:

i think opinions count for a lot.

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, and nobody wants to see it.

several different opinions can each hold a shred of truth

Bit of a myth this one. I could hold an opinion that you molest goats while dressed as a jehovahs witness. Doubtful there is any truth in it though.

but because it hasn't been definitively proven no one really knows.

This is correct. If we could tell what a "ghost" was, TAPS would be out of a job.

TAPS and any other ghosthunters need to remain scientific,

I would posit that they need to start being scientific.

open minded and professional. to me that's how you'll get the best results in the long run.

Any real sceptic is open minded and conducts themselves in a professional manner. Yet when we explain the situation to people, they usually defer the explanation in favour of a more magically appealing version.

[BeamStalk]

www.skepticalanalysis.com/ - SAPS - Skeptical Analysis of the Paranormal Society - They were created in response to the first season of "Ghost Hunters". They also have some articles pointing out where TAPS seem to be fudging the truth some to create a sense of ghosts.

[conbott]

don't you think opinions help to get to the truth sometimes? i know they're helping me with my questions.

[O.M.S.]

There are opinions and there are hypotheses. Opinions are based on personal beliefs whereas Hypoetheses are an idea formed by weighing the evidence and forming a rational answer as to what could be expected based on it, and then go ahead and test for it to see if the hypothesis was accurate.

Maybe opinions can help create a hypothesis that can help look for the truth, but opinion on it's own won't. It'd just stem down to unfounded belief.

[conbott]

yeh, good point.

[dollydaydream]

and the one who where's that stupid baseball cap
the wrong way round

is rather cute with out it

back to topic

[Rocktron]

And (sorry I forgot to post this) =

Part 2.


Watch the replies I got on this vid...

[dollydaydream]

I would have love to have seen Taps the next day with the client

[dollydaydream]

just seen your last post Rocktron, do you get the feeling that Taps was set up

[bobdezon]

Jun 23, 2008 19:49:16 GMT dollydaydream said:

just seen your last post Rocktron, do you get the feeling that Taps was set up

Or it could be TAPS themselves knew this was a rigged location. By attending it for an "investimagation" they would be reassuring their fans that they:

A: have morals and integrity.
B: Are not fooled by such childish attempts at trickery.
C: are serious investigators.

I think the whole "we wasted our time and could have been helping a family that needed us" was laid on a it thick.

If TAPS really didnt know this place was rigged prior to investigation, then this really speaks volumes about the level of training and critical thinking skils in "TAPS family members" doesnt it?

You would have to be a little bit thick to not know how it was done.

[aelwyn]

I agree, Bob!

I loved the set up in the women's washroom, though. I totally would have figured that out on my own, and can't figure out how people all those years never did!

[redbaron]

There are some comments on the distillerys website:

www.mossbeachdistillery.com/loydauerbachcomments-ghosthuntersepisode.html

www.mossbeachdistillery.com/loydauerbach-psychicfrontiers.html

[Rocktron]

Jun 23, 2008 19:49:16 GMT dollydaydream said:

just seen your last post Rocktron, do you get the feeling that Taps was set up

I think they knew this was going on there but after finally getting
invited to the place by the owners they offered an open trap and rubbed it in their face.

[carlitadoomhardy]

well hell.....I'm gonna say good on TAPS..good job.

[bobdezon]

[carlitadoomhardy]

*chews*.....what you rollin at boy? I like em..they're cool....*shrugs* I think people over analyse what are essentially entertainment programmes, I think the lads do a good job of de bunking, have they're heads screwed on, are polite, have a good attitude, and they're damn good businessmen, i'd much rather teams like TAPS were the norm bringin ghost huntin to the masses than the scooby gang that is MH...good on em.

[Deleted]

What makes them different in any sense?
They are both entertainment shows, correct - but TAPS essentially debunk most things which is good - but then ruin it with the whole demonologist thing.
If they're going to be rational - be rational. Don't pick and choose what you are going to be rational with. It just does my head in.

Like people who say ghosts don't exist, but believe in God. Hello?!

[BeamStalk]

They are creating stuff as much as they are debunking. I left a link earlier in here that proved they have knowingly altered video to create ghosts.

Edit: I would assume though that they are being pressured by SciFi to do these things, as SciFi channel is very wooish.

[jemand]

[quote author=beamstalk board=gh thread=4934 post=103100
Edit: I would assume though that they are being pressured by SciFi to do these things, as SciFi channel is very wooish.[/quote]

That seems to be the point. If I was to make a choice between MH and Ghost Hunters I would chose taps anytime. But after their first season, hauntings seemed to increase in a most peculiar way. Probably the channel wanted to spice up things a little bit.

But each and every of these shows should be taken with more than a grain of salt.

[spirithunter]

Jun 9, 2008 18:26:40 GMT bobdezon said:

EMF meters are designed to detect electromagnetic pollution. Not Ghosts.
Dictaphones are designed to record Vocals and Sounds. Not Ghosts.
Cameras are designed to take images, or record Footage. Not Ghosts.

There is no equipment specifically designed to dectect, record, or interact with ghosts. To make such a piece of equipment, one would have to understand what a ghost actually was. What parameters it operated under. What were its ranges adnd limitations. Nobody has even been able to establish a ghost exists, so how would you design equipment for that?

So I guess you'd trust a guy going around saying "Thank you Sam" more than guys that says that 80% of all acclaimed Hauntings can be debunked