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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2009 17:57:43 GMT
Of course they do, we have their word as proof afterall...
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Post by blackadder on Apr 16, 2009 18:02:04 GMT
words from people are falluble. I don't even trust the police in my area let alone what they put on paper.
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Post by morganp on Apr 16, 2009 18:06:49 GMT
no, but they do find lost people/victims or hiding criminals etc. but the police take credit as to not look like idiots. on paper anyway. If you can quote some specific cases and bypass the 'police' halos and give names, cases, dates etc I'm sure your claim would be more credible and valid. From what I've seen psychics and mediums use the connection to law enforcement as a feather in their cap to give them more credibility (and therefore the justification to charge higer fees). In most cases an arbitary investigation into those claims renders them as at best creative liars using very tenuos links and contacts with the Police and at worse (and par for the course) as outright liars. morganp |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2009 18:10:06 GMT
words from people are falluble. I don't even trust the police in my area let alone what they put on paper. Yet you would take the word of someone who claims to have superhuman abilities without any evidence to prove so? |
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Post by morganp on Apr 16, 2009 18:13:50 GMT
words from people are falluble. I don't even trust the police in my area let alone what they put on paper. So words from those who claim supernatural abilities that they don't really have are questionable? because they may be wrong? Basically you don't trust the Police either. Who do you trust then, what does it take to convince you before you believe-evidence that is testable, subject to scrutiny and verifiable by independent parties? Welcome to the club ;D morganp |
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Post by blackadder on Apr 19, 2009 19:00:28 GMT
I was relating the point of police being just as untrustworthy as fraudulant psychics. Look at the london riots and what police initially said happened but were found to be false.
Also your telling me all written information or recorded interviews or television programmes are based on lies if someone says that a psychic helped the police find a criminal/lost person or object/evidence etc.
Maybe in british police records that is the case but not around the world. People in different cultures and nations believe in spiritual traditions and the existence of spirits etc. They just don't try to prove their spiritualists/psychics/monks or other related individuals wrong. Because they help in some cases etc. Rare they may be but they still happen.
You said they all get proven to be liars. Thats a blunt statement to make and a false one.
Prove it, find a 100 police psychic related cases in text record that have been proven to be rubbish. Should be easy as there are hundreds of psychic related cases. And just saying that "the psychic was lucky says the case file" etc, is not proof of lying or other fraud etc.
You can't make bold statements just because you want them to be true.
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Post by asdfg on Apr 19, 2009 19:10:18 GMT
Psychic abilities don't exist so psychics cannot use these abilities to help the police! So it's more a case of taking these claims seriously if or when psychics can actually prove that they can do what they claim they can do. They're quite happy to give readings on demand, to 'help' the police whenever the publicity suits them, but there's always excuses when it come to going anywhere near a scientific test. Why don't psychics 'help the scientists'?  |
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Post by morganp on Apr 19, 2009 23:54:03 GMT
I was relating the point of police being just as untrustworthy as fraudulant psychics. Look at the london riots and what police initially said happened but were found to be false. Also your telling me all written information or recorded interviews or television programmes are based on lies if someone says that a psychic helped the police find a criminal/lost person or object/evidence etc. Maybe in british police records that is the case but not around the world. People in different cultures and nations believe in spiritual traditions and the existence of spirits etc. They just don't try to prove their spiritualists/psychics/monks or other related individuals wrong. Because they help in some cases etc. Rare they may be but they still happen. You said they all get proven to be liars. Thats a blunt statement to make and a false one. Prove it, find a 100 police psychic related cases in text record that have been proven to be rubbish. Should be easy as there are hundreds of psychic related cases. And just saying that "the psychic was lucky says the case file" etc, is not proof of lying or other fraud etc. You can't make bold statements just because you want them to be true. You're putting the Police on a par with Psychics and Mediums? Is that what you're really inferring? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't part of the duty of the Police to establish the truth via the presentation of evidence that is open to scrutiny, subjected to scientific tests and has to stand up in a court of law?. I don't think it's pertinent to speculate on the recents events in London until those events have been properly investigated. It's certainly wrong to accuse any party of falsification until - and here's the rub - the evidence has been properly examined. Where is it written down, recorded in interviews or accurately documented in television programmes that a psychic made the sole (or soul ;D) contribution in the solving of a crime? Just because people in different cultures believe in the existence of spirits doesn't make the existence of spirits true. Billions of Catholics believe that the Pope is gods mobile phone made human but it doesn't make the Popes pronouncements and judgements any more divine than Mystic Megs horoscope. When you say 'rare they may be' what I think that translates as is 'statistically some will delusionally guess/lie correctly'. I don't have to prove anything since you're the one making the claim that psychics have supernatural powers that have been proven to play a significant role in the solving of crimes. Saying that psychics and mediums are delusional liars is not a bold statement. I'd be delighted if the police could solve their crimes sooner, catch the culprits and make the world a better place. I just think forensic science, critical thinking and the application of logic is far better suited to the purpose than Dirk Acorah wannabes making guesses and statements based on psychic abilities they don't have. morganp |
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Post by blackadder on May 15, 2009 16:23:51 GMT
Your inferring for me.
Police look after the public and their reputations etc and sometimes bend the rules or break em off. I didn't say they were the same as mediums.
I would rather trust a policeman because most or all psychic's in my opinion are mislead in their understandings due to historical teachings for practices etc.
But I don't follow historical teachings only psychological methods of meditation and logic so on etc.
And the program was psychic detectives not investigators, sorry.
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