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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Mar 27, 2009 16:58:37 GMT
Randi is back, and this time is talks about why people still believe in various things. "James Randi Speaks is a weekly video commentary of random topics that peaks James Randi's interest." James Randi (born August 7, 1928) (stage name The Amazing Randi) is a stage magician and skeptic best known as a challenger of paranormal claims and pseudoscience. The JREF sponsors the famous million dollar challenge offering a prize of US $1,000,000 to anyone who can demonstrate evidence of any paranormal, supernatural or occult power or event, under test conditions agreed to by both parties. As of this time, no one has claimed this prize, which is to be discontinued on March 6, 2010. Click Here To Watch |
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Post by blackadder on Mar 30, 2009 18:59:54 GMT
People still believe because there are no better scientific answers to any worth while questions. So all believe the nicely spoken and friendly opinionated dreamers of the world. Until someone actually dis-proves these "paranormal" things rather than asking for a demonstration, no-one is ever going to win the argument of paranormal, is it real or not, smoke and mirrors or your long dead aunt speaking from the other side.
All intelligent people can give a proveable and dis-provable argument for nearly every paranormal event but facts are what matters and no-one has any on either side of the argument.
You can run tests and compare charts and long term studies but one person telling you things they shouldn't know because no-one else knows blows paperwork out to sea. So is it any wonder why people are ready to believe anything from a nicely spoken dreamer who is more friendly than than the person about to mug you or rob your house. Its brighter and warmer for the heart to believe in something that sounds and feels good than focus on the possible depressing truth that there's nothing paranormal or interesting for you out there.
Dream on
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Post by asdfg on Mar 30, 2009 19:51:10 GMT
facts are what matters and no-one has any on either side of the argument. There are plenty of explanations, and many are factual, that explain the illusion of psychic abilities etc. The actual problem is that most people are not aware of the facts that are available. |
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Post by blackadder on Mar 31, 2009 14:23:00 GMT
REPLY: Quantumn Physics says all things will, can and do happen or have happened already and information of life exists forever, so people are likely to be able to read this information if they ignore their own cycle of time/life. As they are the beings linked with cycle's of life and time and they create the energy in the first place, E,G, electrical images or emotion, thoughts or words via voice boxes/ears and chemical/electrical brain function.
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Post by asdfg on Mar 31, 2009 14:36:52 GMT
REPLY: Quantumn Physics says all things will, can and do happen or have happened already and information of life exists forever, so people are likely to be able to read this information if they ignore their own cycle of time/life. Where does quantum physics say that? |
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Post by blackadder on Mar 31, 2009 14:53:11 GMT
Its principles of quantumn physics that all things can will and do or have happened in the universe through repetition of the big bang and dimension/gravity/enrergy etc.
Cycle'S happen again and again but must cover all possibilities.
Like the saying goes, leave a monkey to type forever and eventually he will come up with shakespheare through random typing.
People are in the cycles and are the random typing of keys dependant on gravity/energy/dimension. As with all things. The point is you can argue the fact against the scientific law or for it. There are no facts for either side of psychic ability as there is no answer for how the universe actually functions. Until the function of the universe is proven, which is unlikely, you will only get fraudsters arrested and not prove or dis-prove psychic abilities.
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Post by bobdezon on Mar 31, 2009 14:54:42 GMT
you are joking right?  |
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Post by blackadder on Mar 31, 2009 15:04:14 GMT
Hey, I don't come up with this stuff I just watch the science programmes sometimes on the BBC channels.
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Post by bobdezon on Mar 31, 2009 16:53:45 GMT
I have never seen a science program that has described quantum physics like that. Infact it looks more like the plot of battlestar galactica.
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Post by asdfg on Mar 31, 2009 18:22:50 GMT
Hey, I don't come up with this stuff I just watch the science programmes sometimes on the BBC channels. Well, I know that Horizon is dumbed down these days but I didn't think they'd gone that far! ;D I think, if I'm reading you right, that you're using the fallacious reasoning that normally goes along the lines of: no one really knows what quantum phenomena are, no one really knows how psychic ability (homeopathy, whatever) works, therefore quantum mechanics is the explanation for psychic phenomena. Complete bunkum of course. Step 1 is to show that psychic phenomena exist and actually need explaining. This is where you reach the first stumbling block in that type of reasoning. No one can reliably demonstrate psychic phenomena. |
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Post by wombatwal on Mar 31, 2009 21:14:54 GMT
Well my first step is finding evidence for the existence of spirits. Psychics claim they communicate with dead people (spirits). The first step is verifying spirits, then verifying psychics, don't put the cart before the horse.
Then again if spirits don't exist so psychic phenomenom all comes from inside your head. Another way of looking at it.
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Post by asdfg on Mar 31, 2009 23:37:36 GMT
So how do you go about verifying spirits?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Apr 1, 2009 12:54:40 GMT
No they wouldnt.
Because they are monkeys
A monkey cant type forever as it would die, so this could never happen in any circumstance
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Post by hellyp on Apr 1, 2009 15:57:17 GMT
[citation needed]
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Post by blackadder on Apr 2, 2009 15:51:50 GMT
(1) Jon
The monkey only represents continual randomness creating all posibilities with given laws and the monkey thing is a statement from some famous science person (can't remember).
(2) Jigsaw
You don't build a house from the top otherwise your just dropping bricks. Same goes for learning. You learn how the universe works first then psychic ability. Otherwise you never end up with a house, just a pile of bricks. Simple.
Also a lot of new age science E,G, quantumn mechanics/physics and such things as string theorumn are theory proven and nopt practice proven. There are no events to prove them with other than more theorumn. Quantumn mechanics/physics is based on other dimensions existing, need I say more.
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I don't mean to sound stupid but I don't know what a citation is?
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Post by hellyp on Apr 2, 2009 16:02:29 GMT
Sorry, evidence that your claim is true.
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Post by blackadder on Apr 2, 2009 19:07:23 GMT
I saw it on a BBC3 or 4 programme about string theory and the big bang and other theories that were investigated or brought about as theoretical ideas by previous scientists. A few months ago with the young scientist presenter who looks like he's trying to be a rocker about 28 - 32 years old.
I can't get it from book data because it was metioned verbally on tv. It is a common point among these types to mention all things will, do, can and have happened when talking about quantunm theory to us as a main point.
I don't know what else to say. Sorry.
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Post by hellyp on Apr 2, 2009 19:51:13 GMT
If it's a common thing, you should be able to point towards a source which mentions it - that's all I'm asking for.
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Post by blackadder on Apr 2, 2009 20:16:10 GMT
www.damninteresting.com/?p=212I tried typing in some words to look for it and found an article relating to something else but lightly mentions it at a point level to a picture of earth in the text. There are probably a few more I will look and see a bit more some time to get a better relation etc. The address is above. Doesn't relate but mentioned just. But it does give an idea about dimension and universe relating etc.
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Post by asdfg on Apr 3, 2009 2:21:52 GMT
I saw it on a BBC3 or 4 programme about string theory and the big bang and other theories that were investigated or brought about as theoretical ideas by previous scientists. A few months ago with the young scientist presenter who looks like he's trying to be a rocker about 28 - 32 years old. I can't get it from book data because it was metioned verbally on tv. It is a common point among these types to mention all things will, do, can and have happened when talking about quantunm theory to us as a main point. I don't know what else to say. Sorry. Are you thinking of the Many Worlds Hypothesis? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many_world_interpretationThat's an idea within physics and it's not universally accepted. It's an explanation that gets around many of the problems of the Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum mechanics; but the Copenhagen Interpretation is not universally accepted either. It makes many predictions that work but if you have to start invoking the idea of an infinite number of universes to keep it coherent then I would think it's ultimately wrong. That sort of extravagance to make a theory work is a bit too much for my liking. |
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