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Post by morganp on Aug 19, 2010 7:28:05 GMT
Thanks Mulder. I stand slightly corrected. morganp
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Post by antmania on Aug 19, 2010 10:30:36 GMT
No - none of it is true. Read some of the more skeptical stuff (referred to above) which is information of a higher quality. There are no OBEs when the brain is dead and the so called 'detail' is never there. It's an urban myth. I agree they should be researched - but not by paranormalists with their loaded ideas of the supernatural I think you are coming from a biased viewpoint personally as I probably am too. I think after all the research done on the subject, the fact that some people actually have an experience is no longer up for question imo. We can debate the whys and whatnots about what these experiences really are and what causes them but nobody knows for absolute certainty that they are just the result of the brain shutting down or chemicals like endorphins.
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Post by morganp on Aug 19, 2010 18:20:06 GMT
No - none of it is true. Read some of the more skeptical stuff (referred to above) which is information of a higher quality. There are no OBEs when the brain is dead and the so called 'detail' is never there. It's an urban myth. I agree they should be researched - but not by paranormalists with their loaded ideas of the supernatural I think you are coming from a biased viewpoint personally as I probably am too. I think after all the research done on the subject, the fact that some people actually have an experience is no longer up for question imo. We can debate the whys and whatnots about what these experiences really are and what causes them but nobody knows for absolute certainty that they are just the result of the brain shutting down or chemicals like endorphins. I agree that these NDE's/astral projections etc are being reported as experienced. That they are happening is not in dispute - they obviously are. What is in dispute is the true nature of the experience. Are they just the chemical and electrical by products of an injured or dying body or indicative of a life beyond physical death?. The general scientific and medical consensus seems to support the more mundane explanation. This has been researched, tested and re-tested by the experts in the field. There are of course counterpoints to these views that present compelling evidence to the contrary, however those views have been called into question. My view is that these experiences are explainable to a large degree by what we know about brain function under stress. I won't however rule out the possibility that there are discoveries to be made which may change our view. morganp
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Post by mikeitup on Aug 20, 2010 23:10:53 GMT
Cheers Mr Johnno. The interviewer was more sceptical of a 'bad persons' ability to get to 'the other side' I think he hit the nail on the head at the start of the interview when he suggested that the commonality of all the NDE's the Doc researched were possibly due to prolonged exposure to media and TV accounts of what a typical NDE should contain. The NDE experience has been in the public consciousness for many many years now - like the Alien Abduction experience - and there is a cultural template for both experiences (including OBE's) that contains all the popular elements. This runs parallel with the fact that our neurological functions all work in exactly the same way when experiencing severe trauma and the medical procedures that follow. It would have been interesting to see the Author - a Radiation Oncologist debate the book with a Neurologist or specialist in Brain function. morganp Bill O'Reilly is still a c**t though!
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