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Post by mamagpi on Oct 15, 2006 12:34:01 GMT
I am not sure which churches you have visited nic..
but i used to be on the committee of the one I went too and not one medium ever charged £25 for expenses, and most of them donated their expenses back to the church...andwhile we are on the subject of money, alot of the churches do special evenings and all monies go to charity, they pick a few charities every year and do two or three special services a year to help out theses chairites and the rest of the time all monies collected by way of the 'plate' go back into the church not the mediums pockets, which is no different to putting money in a collection plate at any other church.
but anyway this thread is about the religious aspect of spiritualism and not the mediums.
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Post by lowrider on Oct 15, 2006 13:25:40 GMT
I am not sure which churches you have visited nic.. but i used to be on the committee of the one I went too and not one medium ever charged £25 for expenses, and most of them donated their expenses back to the church...andwhile we are on the subject of money, alot of the churches do special evenings and all monies go to charity, they pick a few charities every year and do two or three special services a year to help out theses chairites and the rest of the time all monies collected by way of the 'plate' go back into the church not the mediums pockets, which is no different to putting money in a collection plate at any other church. but anyway this thread is about the religious aspect of spiritualism and not the mediums. Yep true but that don't fit in with mediums being grasping money making fakes.  They do work for the charitys which are often local based. Always wonder what unpaid work some of the more vehement sceptics put in for there local community??? |
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Post by mamagpi on Oct 15, 2006 13:33:39 GMT
yes they do do a lot of work for local charities LR, the one i attended has raised a lot of money for the prem baby unit at a local hospital and most ofthe people that attended these nights werent bothered whether they got a reading or not, it was the fact that a charity was being helped.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 15, 2006 14:06:17 GMT
One word
EGO
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Post by nic on Oct 15, 2006 15:08:43 GMT
I am not sure which churches you have visited nic.. but i used to be on the committee of the one I went too and not one medium ever charged £25 for expenses, and most of them donated their expenses back to the church...andwhile we are on the subject of money, alot of the churches do special evenings and all monies go to charity, they pick a few charities every year and do two or three special services a year to help out theses chairites and the rest of the time all monies collected by way of the 'plate' go back into the church not the mediums pockets, which is no different to putting money in a collection plate at any other church. but anyway this thread is about the religious aspect of spiritualism and not the mediums. Yep true but that don't fit in with mediums being grasping money making fakes. They do work for the charitys which are often local based. Always wonder what unpaid work some of the more vehement sceptics put in for there local community??? No, I am sure on my facts. Why not ask? Maybe your church is an exception in that all mediums do not charge? If so, good on them. A secretary usually places a booking from a list of available mediums. Question to ask.. Is your church governed by the SNU? Not all spiritualist churches are. If so usually SNU mediums only can take the platform. I dont want to get off topic.. 'God help me'... lol.. But you do need to be flexible in discussion. i.e mediumship /spiritualism. |
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Post by mamagpi on Oct 15, 2006 15:50:56 GMT
well there we have it nic, we were both on about different organisations in spiritualism, I attended the SNU churches.
and JON only for some it's ego and sadly I do have to agree with you up to a certain point !
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 15, 2006 15:54:26 GMT
I have witnessed frauds first hand who werent getting paid a penny, quiet softly spoken people, some would say shy.
What motivates some people is their belief they are doing good, the justification of fraud, or the Robin Hood syndrome.
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Post by lowrider on Oct 15, 2006 16:04:22 GMT
Not an affliction that any sceptic would ever suffer from now is it. As we have seen they are all level headed pillars of the community. |
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Post by calamitykate on Oct 15, 2006 16:13:05 GMT
Not an affliction that any sceptic would ever suffer from now is it. As we have seen they are all level headed pillars of the community. LOL LOL LOL LOL, someone who thinks they are a medium being sarcy about OTHER people being level headed! ;D ;D ;D ;D Oooh, that's tickled my funny bone, that has LOL LOL! |
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Post by lowrider on Oct 15, 2006 16:24:57 GMT
Not an affliction that any sceptic would ever suffer from now is it. As we have seen they are all level headed pillars of the community. LOL LOL LOL LOL, someone who thinks they are a medium being sarcy about OTHER people being level headed! ;D ;D ;D ;D Oooh, that's tickled my funny bone, that has LOL LOL! Glad to be of service.  But do you think that ALL sceptics have no egos and what pray dear do you do in any matter that aids,contributes to your local community? If you need time to think i will start.  |
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Post by calamitykate on Oct 15, 2006 16:42:06 GMT
LOL LOL LOL LOL, someone who thinks they are a medium being sarcy about OTHER people being level headed! ;D ;D ;D ;D Oooh, that's tickled my funny bone, that has LOL LOL! Glad to be of service. But do you think that ALL sceptics have no egos and what pray dear do you do in any matter that aids,contributes to your local community? If you need time to think i will start. I don't do nuffink, if you mean community/voluntary work. I don't expect many people do. I give very generously to various charities - I am lucky enough to be in a position to do so. When my children are both old enough to go to school full time, I will be looking into some sort of voluntary work, however. But I don't expect you to believe that lol - wouldn't fit your idea of sceptics being egotistical, selfish, unenlightened oafs, would it? I did not say that NO sceptics have egos - I was merely chuckling at the irony of someone who thinks they contact "the other side" talking about level-headedness ;D |
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Post by lowrider on Oct 15, 2006 16:50:56 GMT
Fair enough. It is probley that i am becoming a boring old fart that i am involved in so much. Got my eye on you young lady. ;D |
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Post by calamitykate on Oct 15, 2006 17:01:29 GMT
Fair enough. It is probley that i am becoming a boring old fart that i am involved in so much. Got my eye on you young lady. ;D I'm sure the WI wouldn't be the same without you  |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 15, 2006 17:02:11 GMT
Not an affliction that any sceptic would ever suffer from now is it. As we have seen they are all level headed pillars of the community. I have done plenty of charity work in the past, i support Action for Cyprus. As for Ego, well i have turned down a number of public appearances, including a recent invite to speak to the Skeptics in the Pub group. When it comes to my passion and my beliefs, any ego i may have comes second. I cannot imagine the kind of huge ego it would take, to claim they were better than everyone else and that they could speak to the dead, and achieve magical feats like healing etc. I would say that the ego of a sceptic is at the other end of the chain when it comes to mediums. I mean for sake, what kind of self absorved, egocentric, thinks the world revolves around them type of person you have to be, to think that you have magical powers that include talking to the dead. Just think about that for a second. Sceptics BRAG about being normal, about having NO special powers. How on earth can our sceptisism have anything to do with ones ego? Where as mediums and psychics are so BECAUSE of their ego *language* |
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Post by calamitykate on Oct 15, 2006 17:08:37 GMT
Speak for yourself. I can hypnotise a chicken.
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Oct 15, 2006 19:02:31 GMT
Isnt that the trick where you put them on their back or something.
I want to know how you can know youare actually hypnotising the chicken? For example can you make it cluck like a chicken?!
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Post by calamitykate on Oct 15, 2006 19:09:55 GMT
Isnt that the trick where you put them on their back or something. I want to know how you can know youare actually hypnotising the chicken? For example can you make it cluck like a chicken?! Well, I would tell you the secret but I'd probably get told off for going off topic  No, you don't make it cluck like a chicken. That would be silly I've caused one to pluck itself, leap into the oven and cover itself with bacon, though. |
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Post by nic on Oct 15, 2006 19:22:44 GMT
well there we have it nic, we were both on about different organisations in spiritualism, I attended the SNU churches. No you misunderstood. My comments were on SNU... Are you a spiritualist? |
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Post by quackersgpi on Oct 15, 2006 21:27:11 GMT
I have attended an SNU church and I know many people who attend them in this area. I have never heard of any charging for the open circles or for the developement circles. But then, maybe that is up to the discretion of each church, as, surprisingly the SNU seems to have very little control at all.
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Post by mamagpi on Oct 15, 2006 21:40:25 GMT
The SNU it's self doesnt charge as quackers has said its up to the individual churches and as long as these churches are adhering to the basic guidelines of the SNU, they basically have free reign,
and yes nic I do class myself as a spiritualist and the SNU would probably blast me into oblivion for being a paranormal investigater also.
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