a few years ago I was dragged into a spiritualist church in essex as a friend wanted to see jay love trance dem I have to say - it was the worse thing I have EVER seen
He sat on a chair in a black polo neck, black trousers and a black cap on. We were all locked in - no phones on or cameras. The people on the front row could see - no one else could. He brought a male 'body minder' who sat next to him as support throughout.
He started his 'trance' ie funny voice - lots of love and light... kept asking us if we could see 'him' ie the guide ...NO! He then asked for a recipient to sit and hold his hands and receive messages direct from her loved ones - and a lady did. Now - forgive me if I am wrong - but if he is a channel - and a 'spirit' is using his body ... then you are getting to speak to them first hand... it CANNOT BE WRONG?? Wrong... the woman was so embarrassed as nothing was right!! He droned on and on hoping to get a yes at some point - but no!
He then gave up on that - we had been locked in for an hour by now - and everyone was bored - I was playing games on my mobile!
Then it got interesting... he started a trance question and answer session. He caused a riot!!! He told us all that we should embrace and forgive peodophiles! We should care for murderers - and that suicides suffer when they go over! There was much much more but we couldnt hear at the back for the shouting!!! He had people shouting at him and arguing with him - and yet - he 'maintained' his trance state!!!
I have never witnessed anything as bad anywhere ... well Derek excluded of course Now I know why they lock you in!! ...so you cant go home!!!
Is there any chance you could write a detailed article about all this, including dates, location, who you went with and so on.
Also do you have anyone else who can coroborate what you saw?
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
I do not have any recordings unfortunately. At one time on Jay's website were deatails of all of his bookings i.e. seminars, courses and appearances - but these are now empty?
Jay is still working at the college of psychic studies, where you can book a reading with him at a cost of £45.00 - any volunteers?
I heard that Jay Love is the latest "hot thing" among the spiritualist community. The problem is that the people watching these "mediums" are not qualified to make a judgment and have such ingrained bias, they refuse to acknowledge that they could be wrong.
Every so often a new mediums comes along and there is a big fuss made about them. Since there is no such thing as mediumship, then I can only guess that it is because these mediums are male, and the majority of the spiritualist movement is female.
Basically, the mediums are bigged-up, because the ladies fancy them. Not good news for the female mediums, but there you go.
The only difference between Jay Love, Colin Fry, Derek Acorah, Gordon Smith, etc. and the numerous other less successful mediums out there, is that the mediums I have just mentioned have a penis.
Sorry to be crude about it, but the truth is often ugly.
If I went to see two magicians doing the same tricks on different nights in a theatre, one male and one female, I am pretty sure that I would prefer the female one and my subconscious would influence me into thinking she was better than the male one, because my sexual preference is towards females.
Thanks, Harry, you've just made me picture all the mediums you've just mentioned up on stage in a sort of Full Monty/Chippendales lineup - good job I'd already eaten my tea!
"No passion in the world is equal to the passion to alter someone else's draft." H G Wells
Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 19, 2010 20:12:58 GMT
If Jay really is the latest hot thing that would expain why he is so pissed off at the coverage he has received on BP, and the fact he is threatening me with legal action, not to mention the fact he is contacting people formerly associated with me in the desperate need for anything he can use on me
A bad ass who will beat you like he's using the fists of god.
Jay Love is NOT a nasty piece of work. He did not say those things about paedaphiles, murderers and he did not say that about suicides either. He DID NOT introduce himself as a wog either.
Everything that has been written about him is libel and defamataion of his character. And he will take legal action against all the people that have written this about him.
This is not a site for skeptics. The truth is, you are all atheists, you dont believe in anything. And this is just a happy pass time for you all, making false allegations.
The thing I find the most disturbing of all, is that none of you can see that the nasty piece of work around here is Jon Donnis himself. You have personally attacked this man. You are being personal about his life., when you dont even know him! He is Greek, not Cypriot. Cyprus is a different country. It is not Greece and therefore how would you know more about Greeks then him. When your not Greek. How ridiculous.
Jon Donnis, I have read your articles. you talk about spelling mistakes with Jay Love? what about your spelling, its terrible! and tell everyone on your forum, that you DONT publish the full article, or emaisl that you get. you cut out the bits that make you look bad. (I have the proof everyone) this is what this man does. its so disturbing that he cuts and edits everything to suit himself. Jay Love is known by many people as being a very Sensitive (sometimes mistaken for insecure) kind, caring, loving, honest, sincere human being. That would never hurt anyone. He did not say any of those things that have been said about him.
We shouldnt be asking the question Psychic Jay Love - just who is he?. we should be asking the question Jon Donnis, who made him God?
Wake up to this man everyone. Ask yourself what kind of person spends his whole life trying to destroy other peoples lives? Who made him God?
Sandra p.s Jon Donnis, please do not bother to reply. I have known people with your personality type before and you are not able to have a reasonable debate. You are very accusatory to people who dont agree with you.
If you're going to criticise Jon for his spelling then I suggest you look closer to home, and while you're at it, try learning what punctuation/grammar is all about.
I'm not speaking for Jon here as he's quite capable of speaking for himself, but if Jon had personal dealings with Jay Love then the opinion he formed of Jay as a person is his opinion alone and no-one, including you, can call that into question. I'm sure there are people you haven't taken to in the past, but would that make it okay for someone else to attack you for it?
Also, if we're all Atheists then why would Jon want to be God?
Jon Donnis, I have read your articles. you talk about spelling mistakes with Jay Love? what about your spelling, its terrible! ... And this is just a happy pass time for you all, making false allegations. ... When your not Greek. ... you DONT publish the full article, or emaisl that you get ... We shouldnt be asking the question ... what kind of person spends his whole life trying to destroy other peoples lives? ... Ask yourself what kind of person spends his whole life trying to destroy other peoples lives? Who made him God? ... you are very accusatory to people who dont agree with you.
Everyone's a bloody medium these days. Everyone is so wonderfully "Love & Light".
There is no such thing as mediumship. It doesn't exist. And anyone who claims to be a medium is either deluded or telling lies.
You have every right to have a faith, and spiritualism is as good as the next belief system, but take a close look at how much money is changing hands. Take a look at how ugly spiritualism would be if you discovered it was non-existent!
The SNU are regarded as one of the bitchiest organisations ever to hold charity status. It all stinks!!! And anyone believing in spirit communication is a gullible fool.
Who in their right mind would look to Mr Jon Donnis for publicity, on the other hand they do say. Any publicity is better than no publicity. I have no doubt that many people have checked up on his web site and come to their own conlusions. ;D
I have noted that when there is not a believer on here, to extract the michael out of, it is very quiet. ;D
Has Gordon Smith ever initiated contact with Jon Donnis? Has Colin Fry ever initiated contact with Jon Donnis? Has Tony Stockwell ever initiated contact with Jon Donnis?
NO???
Jay Love therefore must have WANTED to be on the Bad-psychics list and didn't consider the consequences. Quite a stupid thing to do. ;D
He did not say those things about paedaphiles, murderers and he did not say that about suicides either. He DID NOT introduce himself as a wog either.
Were you at the same meeting? You should perhaps be discussing this with the person who posted this.
Everything that has been written about him is libel and defamataion of his character.
Example please.
This is not a site for skeptics. The truth is, you are all atheists, you don't believe in anything. And this is just a happy pass time for you all, making false allegations.
This is a site for everyone. It is a site for debate and discussion. What false allegations? If you are referring to your first comment then I suggest you give your answer to the poster in question. If you are referring to Jon then put your allegations in print to be answered in a rational way.
The thing I find the most disturbing of all, is that none of you can see that the nasty piece of work around here is Jon Donnis himself. You have personally attacked this man. You are being personal about his life., when you don't even know him! He is Greek, not Cypriot. Cyprus is a different country. It is not Greece and therefore how would you know more about Greeks then him. When your not Greek. How ridiculous.
Your post does exactly what you accuse Jon Donnis of doing!
and tell everyone on your forum, that you DONT publish the full article, or emaisl that you get. you cut out the bits that make you look bad. (I have the proof everyone) this is what this man does. its so disturbing that he cuts and edits everything to suit himself. Jay Love is known by many people as being a very Sensitive (sometimes mistaken for insecure) kind, caring, loving, honest, sincere human being. That would never hurt anyone. He did not say any of those things that have been said about him.
If you have proof then show it. You sound far too emotionally involved at the moment to give a rational discussion.
Wake up to this man everyone. Ask yourself what kind of person spends his whole life trying to destroy other peoples lives? Who made him God?
The point of Bad Psychics is to try to educate people in the fraudulent behaviour of those who deliberately set out to take money from the vulnerable. The forum expands on that with other forms of skepticism. If Jay really had the abilities he professes to have why would he even bother with anything BP have to say.
p.s Jon Donnis, please do not bother to reply. I have known people with your personality type before and you are not able to have a reasonable debate. You are very accusatory to people who don't agree with you.
That is actually your way of saying you refuse to engage in any intelligent discussion of the points you have raised!
As I expected you all to do, you all came out in defence of Jon. Insulting my spelling, which was a typing error anyway! and grammatical errors. But that is just petty and childish.
I dont need people like you Amaris quoting bits of my posting and telling me what you think is going on with me! I will tell you myself. I am Jays sister. So I know far better than any of you, what his personality is. As Jon knows. He did not publish all the emails in their entirety. Thats his prerogative, this is his web site. I am all for free speech and people can have their own opinions about anything, however, not when false allegations are made against Jay. As I have already said, he did not say those things and yes Amaris I WAS THERE! I have already contacted the person who wrote that post.
He also did not say the word *wog* its insulting and offence to anyones ears. I put it to Terry that he heard Jay describe himself with a different word. I know the word and he may remember.
I would like him to retract that please.
What you are all doing here, that is so wrong, is making false allegations against Jay that is directly affecting him as a person. None of you were there and as I said, the person who wrote that posting has been contacted.
Jon, just as you are passionate about your beliefs in your life, Jay is passionate about what he believes in, in his life. This is not a game. Your words and allegations are affecting people profoundly. Myself included. I dont like seeing my brothers character torn apart by people who dont even know him. Dont print things that untrue. Do the right thing and remove those things.
Not believing in mediumship is one thing. But deliberately trying to tear a persons character apart is just wrong. Then you are no better than the mediums you try to expose as crooks and charlatans.
As for the others on this forum. I dont care for your childish comments.
As I expected you all to do, you all came out in defence of Jon. Insulting my spelling, which was a typing error anyway! and grammatical errors. But that is just petty and childish.
The people on here defended me as i have done nothing wrong, Remember Jay contacted me, not the other way around. I had never even heard of him. We would never have even looked at him had he not had contacted me. And even then it was only after his strange and offensive messages did I think it was worth publishing them.
People need to make up their own mind about Jay, and the way he acts exposes himself.
We have believers on here, people who have met Jay, there are mixed opinions i accept.
I will tell you myself. I am Jays sister.
If that is so then how do you explain Jays actions? How do you explain his unusual CAREER path? There is nothing spiritual in charging people to speak to their own dead relatives.
So I know far better than any of you, what his personality is.
So explain why he contacted me, why he said the things he does. And perhaps explain why when he performs he says things which are easily seen as cold reading?
As Jon knows. He did not publish all the emails in their entirety.
I did miss a few things out as they involved other people which i didn't think was fair on them.
The fact that Jay has now gone running to them moaning about me is rather sad.
Despite that person not particularly liking me, in fact their hatred is well known, they still respect me enough to come and tell me.
You see people who know me, even the psychics and mediums accept me, and understand me and what I do, they respect the passion I have, the honesty and the loyalty.
Jay will never understand this as all he has in his heart is hatred.
Did he really think he could manipulate me? Is he that arrogant? Or was he simply naive?
Tell me, you know him best
Thats his prerogative, this is his web site. I am all for free speech and people can have their own opinions about anything, however, not when false allegations are made against Jay.
What false allegations exactly? I have made none.
As I have already said, he did not say those things and yes Amaris I WAS THERE! I have already contacted the person who wrote that post.
Please keep all such comminucations public, do not go threatening my members as I will report you to the police if you do so.
He also did not say the word *wog* its insulting and offence to anyones ears. I put it to Terry that he heard Jay describe himself with a different word. I know the word and he may remember.
Terry and myself hardly get on, Terry is an elderley gentleman with more experience of these things than most. I doubt he would lie about such a thing.
And the point is that even if Jay did not say Wog, obviously people thought he did, hardly looks good.
So what word do you believe Jay said?
I would like him to retract that please.
What you like and what happens are different things. If Terry has made a mistake i am sure he will admit it.
What you are all doing here, that is so wrong, is making false allegations against Jay that is directly affecting him as a person. None of you were there and as I said, the person who wrote that posting has been contacted.
Regarding peoples opinions, they have a right to them. People who attended Jays show and posted opinions are NOT skeptics, these are believers upset with seeing a useless psychic.
If the comments and articles are truly affecting Jay, tell him to contact me directly and perhaps we can come to an arrangement.
Jon, just as you are passionate about your beliefs in your life, Jay is passionate about what he believes in, in his life.
Jay ispassionate about making money, not being spiritual
This is not a game. Your words and allegations are affecting people profoundly. Myself included. I dont like seeing my brothers character torn apart by people who dont even know him. Dont print things that untrue. Do the right thing and remove those things.
Jay has already threatened me with legal action. If anything i have posted was untrue or defamatory I will remove it upon seeing proof of this. I am a fair man, but I wont just remove something because he doesn't like it.
Perhaps he should have chose a less controversial career, especially if he cant handle a differing opinion.
Not believing in mediumship is one thing. But deliberately trying to tear a persons character apart is just wrong. Then you are no better than the mediums you try to expose as crooks and charlatans.
Jay has brought this all on himself, the way he acts the way he speaks to people, and his own very dubious career choice
As for the others on this forum. I dont care for your childish comments.
Then ignore them.
If Jay makes a donation to BP, makes a cast iron promise to never practice mediumship of any kind again, close his websites etc and to get a real job then I will remove every article on him, all forum threads, the lot.
You see for me I make NO MONEY from having Jay on the site, I just want people who pretend to talk to the dead to STOP.
So for me the best thing is for Jay to stop being a medium and get a real job.
The donation just proves to me he is serious.
If this is really affecting him as a person then he would have no problems trying a new career