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Post by harry on Feb 23, 2010 12:38:00 GMT
It's all about the money.
Mediums make money from private readings, church/stage shows and workshops. The more exposure they get, the more of a name they become, the more people will book them. No publicity is bad publicity.
Vulnerable or deluded people believe in mediumship. Therefore I consider mediums to be operating immorally.
There is a rational explanation for everything mediums do. Watch the videos and then tell me that Jay and all the other mediums are real.
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Post by terry on Feb 23, 2010 13:10:51 GMT
Sandraj
I'm afraid Jay did introduce himself as a wog. His exact words were. Yes, I'm a wog. It made me uncomfortable, he did not need to do that. As Jon pointed out, I am an elderly gent. ;D hearing 95% ;D It was at a private house in Hornchurch. Just to say, I liked Jay, I have seen him twice for trance readings. I have been with him at Folkstone. I resisted Jons. request for a copy of Jays tape, I gave Jay a CD when he had a problem with his back. I do not like to see people persecuted for their belief, but if you come on Jons site, you have to expect it. I stay on here to try to give an opposing view. The sad thing is that there are fraudulent mediums?? so everyone gets tarred with the same brush.
Sandraj, if you look at my site you will see that most of my friends are mediums, Jay has a link among many others that he works with.
You are always welcome to contact me via my site.
Terry
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Post by Cassus on Feb 23, 2010 18:59:47 GMT
The sad thing is that there are fraudulent mediums?? so everyone gets tarred with the same brush. Terry, How are we to tell apart the "fraudulent mediums" for the genuine ones, when nearly all of them refuse to tak part in a formal test of their abilities? I've watched Jay Love's Greek TV appearance. He is a simple cold reader, and not a very good one, judging by that performance. If our opinions are hurting Jay's feelings, and yours, then there's a very simple solution. TAKE THE MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE, JAY! |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 23, 2010 19:41:36 GMT
Thats a very good question how do we tell the fakes from the real ones, so far history has shown that 100% of all psychics fail 100% of the times when the chance to cheat is removed, no exceptions.
In fact I have yet to see a single psychic i couldnt explain how they were doing it
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Post by sandraj on Feb 23, 2010 22:29:16 GMT
Jon, you turn my stomach! I will let the legal people deal with you. And as for calling the police for me threatening someone on this site. Go ahead!!!! do it! I told the person that legal action will be taken against him for his false allegations. Im sure they are going to arrest me for that. Use their blue lights and everything.
You can say what you like Jon. But be prepared to face legal action. You wont get away with it.
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Post by traceyg on Feb 23, 2010 22:43:19 GMT
Sandraj, look im sure Jon has heard it all before with people like you taking legal action, i doub't you'll get very far and just remember if you go down that route it's certainly going to cost a fair few quid, so i'm sure it's just all hot air.
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Post by tomroberts on Feb 23, 2010 23:32:42 GMT
I'd love to know how many times Jon has been threatened with legal action that never materialised.
Weren't there some empty threats from Alex Pidoux?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 23, 2010 23:34:02 GMT
Jon, you turn my stomach! I will let the legal people deal with you. And as for calling the police for me threatening someone on this site. Go ahead!!!! do it! I told the person that legal action will be taken against him for his false allegations. Im sure they are going to arrest me for that. Use their blue lights and everything. You can say what you like Jon. But be prepared to face legal action. You wont get away with it. I have removed Sandra from the forum for obviously threatening members through the PM system. As of right now I have yet to hear from any legal representative of Jay Love. |
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Post by Amaris on Feb 23, 2010 23:47:52 GMT
She of course is too emotionally involved to talk in a rational manner. I thought Terry's reply was very polite in pointing out that he did hear the word she denies Jay said and the rest of his post was just as polite, shame she didn't bother to reply to that one.
I thought my post in reply to hers was quite polite too  Just pointing out what I thought was relevant ....ah well ...... 
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Post by terry on Feb 24, 2010 13:35:40 GMT
Cassus. I do not know where you got the impression that my feelings were hurt. I am forever telling ladies that come to me, hurt by what someone had said. You have to value that persons opinion to 'allow' it to hurt you. I have said before, an old saying. Sticks and stones may break my bones will never hurt me. (unless I let them) ;D My initial recollection of what Jay said, was not a criticism but a comment on what I thought was his insecurity as a person. I mean Jon gives the impression, at times that he is insecure, his need for recognition for one. ;D. no one is perfect, (well perhaps me) my daughters bought me a badge for christmas, to prove it. Regarding proof of mediumship. I remember Jon and friends raiding Tracy Higgs site. he said. Before he was banned. He and friends chased a lot of people away from their own site because of the negativity. "If I can prove that she is fraudulent, I will destroy her" my comment was. Would that be a plague of locusts etc.  as you may know, she has gone to be very popular to believers, TV etc. So obviously he did not prove it. Regarding Jay cold reading, I am not in a position to comment on that but as I said, I have had two visits with Jay in trance, it is totally different. I have pointed out many times before, I am not a medium, the people/ mediums I know, genuinely believe in what they do, the voices/pictures they hear and see. For many years I have been trying to discover what is happening to them. It is too easy to say they are deluded because we have not experienced it.  |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 24, 2010 15:00:14 GMT
What a strang thing to say, I shy away from the limelight, i turn down TV and Radio requests every week.
In fact I am quite a shy person and prefer to let me work do the talking.
Insecure? not about what I do or say no.
I dont remember ever going to Tracy Higgs site, sure it was me?
I do have a few imposters you know, basically anyone wanting to cause trouble just signs up to a forum under the name Jon Donnis.
Nope doesn't sound like me, I would not say something like that.
And i have proven she is fraudulent, and although she has her fans she has not gone on to become famous.
In fact she is very much the 3rd wheel on the 3 mediums tour, only taken on after Stockwell left IPM when he got too big for his boots.
I have experienced and i say they are deluded.
Any time someone is in trance, simple questions can leave the so called spirit unable to answer.
Its not rocket science you know.
They claim to be egyptian get them to speak in their mothe r tongue.
This is why Acorah NEVER channelled his Ethiopean spirit guide
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Post by terry on Feb 24, 2010 17:44:09 GMT
Shy Jon/ it makes me wonder, how you think you come across to the average reader. Apologies If it was not you Jon, they did a wonderful job of imitating you, even had some of your friends, (from your site) with whom I had conversations with after you/they were banned. As I said, if you do not value the persons opinion, ignore it. |
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Post by Cassus on Feb 24, 2010 18:38:18 GMT
terry,
I was talking about Jay Love's feelings, as expressed by his sister. Not about yours. Apologies for any confusion.
The first question to ask is not how mediums contact the dead. The question is if they can contact the dead.
No medium in the world has yet demonstrated they can. Until that day, every one of them is either a cold reader, a hot reader, or a simple fraud.
Do you have a link for your website?
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Post by terry on Feb 24, 2010 19:30:14 GMT
No offence taken Cassus. just checking, I do not get offended. ;D Not sure you will like my site, a lot of woo. I wish I could be as sure as you, as I said, to my knowledge I am not a medium but have had many experiences that I could not explain. hoping not to go against the rules of the site. www.theterrybaker.co.uk |
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 25, 2010 15:30:11 GMT
Shy Jon/ it makes me wonder, how you think you come across to the average reader. As an arrogant know it all  Dont get me wrong it may well have been me. Ijust dont remember. Maybe you could regress me |
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Post by terry on Feb 25, 2010 17:43:25 GMT
Got to add honest to that Jon ;D That is strange you should mention regression, (are you psychic?) Someone, only today, said. Can't you hypnotise him. I pointed out that you have to cooperate, and I am sure you would not want to. I was going to suggest to Cassus that she read, on my site, (apolgies for adding the recollection of a lady who was surprised as to what came out. I would be interested as to see how a sceptic sees it. I know the, seen a film, stored in the unconscious mind etc. Some that I have heard have been so detailed. I wonder could you have been The Witchfinder General? ;D ;D |
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Post by Cassus on Feb 25, 2010 19:19:30 GMT
terry,
There are lots of case studies and feedback letters on your site. To which one specifically are you referring?
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Post by Mr. Jon Donnis on Feb 25, 2010 20:44:19 GMT
I cant be hypnotized i've tried 4 times. Probably part of why i dont believe in it. And for the record this was long before i was master of the skeptic universe
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Post by Ma'amJo on Feb 25, 2010 21:21:14 GMT
Master of the Skeptic Universe - what a great title for a film! |
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Post by grotbags on Feb 25, 2010 21:21:39 GMT
I cant be hypnotized i've tried 4 times. Probably part of why i dont believe in it. And for the record this was long before i was master of the skeptic universe Hi Jon Is that 4 times with different hypnotists? |
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Just pointing out what I thought was relevant ....ah well ...... 
as you may know, she has gone to be very popular to believers, TV etc.
