So because i don't believe that you talk to dead people I can't celebrate Christmas??? The first Christmas with my first child?
Anyone who doesn't believe in spirit communication can't celebrate Christmas?? EVEN if they believe in an afterlife?
Does this include fundamentalist Christians who certainly believe in Jesus (Rabidly in some cases) but would dismiss what you say you can do as witchcraft Does that mean they can't celebrate?
Does this mean that anyone who doesn't profess a believe in Jesus can't celebrate Christmas. Including very spiritual people who show respect and tolerance of other religions and beliefs?
OR
Does the Hypocrisy only apply to people who disagree with you and others like you and cast doubt on your "Abilities"?
"I am me,Kendra, a person, an individual"
And so is every Skeptic you called a Hypocrite for celebrating on Christmas day for whatever reason they have. Yet you tarred them all with the same brush.Pretty much what you accuse them of with all Mediums/Psychics.
Can't you see? It all makes perfect sense Expressed in dollars and cents Pounds,shillings and pence.
It doesn't really matter if Christ was real, the idea of Christmas and family get togethers is a good one whatever your beliefs
Totally agree
From Kendra's earlier post "But many sceptics wil be celebrating Christmas..How the hell can you sit back recieve gifts and so on all in the spirit of christmas and erase Christ and what that figure stood for, "
Can't you see? It all makes perfect sense Expressed in dollars and cents Pounds,shillings and pence.
Well, hypocrite I may be but I am certainly not going to try to tell my children that we can't have a tree or presents this year because some woman on an internet site, who pretends to talk to dead people, disapproves
And yet you and others would revel in the possiblity of taking anothers belief and faith from them..enjoy ridiculing them for the very thing they hold dear to their hearts. You would do that, and others at a drop of a hat and feel nothing...all done because you simply do not approve!
And I am not just some woman! I am Kendra, a person, an individual, a mother,a wife ,a human being. What you teach your children etc is your choice, I really do not care. But you and others whilst telling your kids the story of christmas will look at your PC screen and attempt half hashed attempts at downing another for believing in something that you are celebrating iwth yoru children! I am so glad that you are proud to be a hypocrite..of course only when it suits you
To pretend is to know something is not real,the spirit world and spirit communication is very real to me..I do not pretend!
You imply that anyone who 'celebrates Christmas' teaches their kids about the baby jesus, thats a pretty big assumption to make about someone. So if Christmas was to be celebrated by only the people who truly believe in Jesus and God and have never been hypocrytical about anything is that where Muds Christmas song comes from? "It'll be lonely this Christmas"?
Well, hypocrite I may be but I am certainly not going to try to tell my children that we can't have a tree or presents this year because some woman on an internet site, who pretends to talk to dead people, disapproves
And yet you and others would revel in the possiblity of taking anothers belief and faith from them..enjoy ridiculing them for the very thing they hold dear to their hearts. You would do that, and others at a drop of a hat and feel nothing...all done because you simply do not approve!
And I am not just some woman! I am Kendra, a person, an individual, a mother,a wife ,a human being. What you teach your children etc is your choice, I really do not care. But you and others whilst telling your kids the story of christmas will look at your PC screen and attempt half hashed attempts at downing another for believing in something that you are celebrating iwth yoru children! I am so glad that you are proud to be a hypocrite..of course only when it suits you
To pretend is to know something is not real,the spirit world and spirit communication is very real to me..I do not pretend!
"Story of Christmas".
Precisely. It's a nice story, the sentiments make for a happy existence..... "Goodwill to all men" and all that. Making children aware of the Christmas story is common sense, and they love it. Are you seriously suggesting that anyone who is not a practising Christian has no right to celebrate Christmas?!
"Beauty and the Beast" is also a nice story but I don't feel hypocritical for reading that to the children, either.
As I have said before - I do not particularly ridicule people for BELIEVING in things, but I will debate my different beliefs with them, as I will debate lots of things.
Fine to believe in an afterlife.
NOT fine to pretend to pass on messages from dead relatives.
Post by fromtheotherside on Nov 9, 2006 17:07:34 GMT
chune said:
fromtheotherside said:
Totally agree
From Kendra's earlier post "But many sceptics wil be celebrating Christmas..How the hell can you sit back recieve gifts and so on all in the spirit of christmas and erase Christ and what that figure stood for, "
Thats sceptics....that is their choice..I do not believe in inforcing any belief onto a child or anyone else! But then I do not shout and scream and spit my dummy out because someone has another belief than mine! Unlike so many sceptics!
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Post by fromtheotherside on Nov 9, 2006 17:12:33 GMT
Precisely. It's a nice story, the sentiments make for a happy existence..... "Goodwill to all men" and all that. Making children aware of the Christmas story is common sense, and they love it. Are you seriously suggesting that anyone who is not a practising Christian has no right to celebrate Christmas?!
Nope I am saying that Anyone who spits their dummy out because another believes in spirit,should wind their neck in full stop if they celebrate a day dedicated to a spiritual figure!
Precisely. It's a nice story, the sentiments make for a happy existence..... "Goodwill to all men" and all that. Making children aware of the Christmas story is common sense, and they love it. Are you seriously suggesting that anyone who is not a practising Christian has no right to celebrate Christmas?!
Nope I am saying that Anyone who spits their dummy out because another believes in spirit,should wind their neck in full stop if they celebrate a day dedicated to a spiritual figure!
Sigh..... no dummies spat out here hun.
I don't actually see what relevance my beliefs in "spirit" have, actually.
Are you saying that all mediums are practising Christians? If not, and they still celebrate Christmas, are they exempt from your labelling as hypocrites?
Father Christmas isn't spiritual! He's a big fat fella who likes Coca cola! (was going to say 'likes coke' but couldn't get the image of him snorting the icing sugar off the top of a mince pie...) Thats what Christmas is to me, big fat blokes falling down the chimney.
As for "a day dedicated to a spiritual figure", well maybe that used to be the case, but as the years have gone on and church goers have dwindled, it has turned into what it is today, yes we have retained the name, lets face it, it would be difficult to change, but I would have imagined that the majority of people who celebrate Christmas dont actually do it for religious reasons.
For many of us it was just something we were brought up with, I was never shown the religious side of it, but never the less Christmas was Christmas, a time of fun and presents. Ok I agree it was never meant to be that way, but you have to accept thats what its evolved into. I cannot see myself sitting down with my 4 year old tonight and saying
"look son, I know you're looking forward to it, but there wont be a Christmas for you anymore, no, stop crying son, its my fault not yours. You see, I'm afraid your old dads a bit of a hypocrite and because he doesn't believe in Jesus he's realised that he shouldn't buy you any presents. Whats that? Who's Jesus? Couldn't hear you for the crying son, sorry. Well Jesus lived a very long time ago a long way away. No son, he's not Santa's dad, now blow your nose. You see Christmas is his Birthday. What that got to do with it you say? well although Daddy believes that a man called Jesus may have lived a long long time ago, he doesn't believe he....how shall I put it... had special powers. No son, not like Mr Incredible, and no I'm pretty sure he didn't have a cape. But some people DO think he was special and not just like everyone else, and they think that because Daddy doesn't believe Jesus was the son of God, no son, we're not discussing religious theology tonight, then we should do nothing at Christmas. No, you can say please as many times as you like but it wont work. Now now, thats not a very nice name to call him is it?"
The thing is though, even Muslims and other regious minded people are more than happy to join in the spirit of Christmas and lets be brutally honest here..Every Dec 25th, how many of us are actually thinking about Christ and what it is supposed to mean? I would say the vast majority enjoy Christmas for the simple pleasures of having the whole family round for dinner and for the younger ones, a chance to recieve presents. It is not what Christmas was intended perhaps but it is still a good thing and if there was no such thing as Christmas, it is a sure fire bet someone would invent such a day.
Post by purplechampers on Nov 9, 2006 23:13:28 GMT
It's hard to say that you are happy to celebrate Christmas (without being a Christian) and not sound incredibly hypocrytical. However, it of course a public holiday and for those who don't get to see family all that often it's very precious time indeed.
It's roots may well be in many different traditions, but it's more like a habit for us now. One that we would be reluctant to break. So, maybe we should view it as a social necessity?
Whenever I think if religion, I'm more likely to think of the bloodshed, corruption and oppression but I'd still hate to see an old church being pulled down because I think they're beautiful buildings and somehow enhance our enviroment. But then I'm shallow like that!
Post by fromtheotherside on Nov 9, 2006 23:28:55 GMT
calamitykate said:
fromtheotherside said:
Nope I am saying that Anyone who spits their dummy out because another believes in spirit,should wind their neck in full stop if they celebrate a day dedicated to a spiritual figure!
Sigh..... no dummies spat out here hun.
Oh jolly good
I don't actually see what relevance my beliefs in "spirit" have, actually.
sorry is that in general or just in regards to this thread?
Are you saying that all mediums are practicing Christians? If not, and they still celebrate Christmas, are they exempt from your labelling as hypocrites?
Spiritualist mediums believe very much in Jesus. not in the same sense as the Catholic church etc portray him. We very much celebrate the spirit of Christmas in every sense of the word. Also you have Christian spiritualists..much of the religious faith from that religion is intertwined with ours! No Hypocrisy here dear.
Post by fromtheotherside on Nov 9, 2006 23:35:54 GMT
admin said:
Actually if Kendra celebrates xmas, but does not believe that Jesus was the son of god, and was ressurected, then she is a hypocrite also. Ummm when have I ever said I didn't believe in Jesus,if we are all part of god in some way,so was he!....You really shouldn't presume of my beliefs Jon. tut tut
A quick reminder of a quote from the bible, think it refers directly to mediums
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves" Matthew 7:15
Oh good god,do you know how many times a JW has attempted to use that as leverage for me to change my faith to theirs.lmao...And Jon....that would have been aimed at Pagans and the romans sweetie....Ceaser in particular a he was a self proclaimed god. Which I find quite ironic considering the collaboration of both sides to manipulate the populaces.
Post by fromtheotherside on Nov 9, 2006 23:41:03 GMT
The thing is though, even Muslims and other regious minded people are more than happy to join in the spirit of Christmas and lets be brutally honest here..Every Dec 25th, how many of us are actually thinking about Christ and what it is supposed to mean?
